From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 2 05:26:13 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 05:26:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB2DQBT06946 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 05:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Dec 02 05:26:04 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB2DQ4G24918; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 05:26:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB2DPL539206; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 05:25:21 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB2DLin61770 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 05:21:44 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Dec 02 05:21:40 2001 -0800 Received: from nic.crt.se (nic.crt.se [193.12.107.10]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB2DLe915501 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 05:21:40 -0800 Received: from mail.crt.se (postiljon.crt.se [172.16.1.14]) by nic.crt.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E085283 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:21:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from crt.se (fonbella.crt.se [172.16.1.169]) by mail.crt.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933A91DA3 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:21:39 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:21:39 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jakob Schlyter To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: pine and strange tty mode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN hi, I've noticed some strange tty behaviour using pine (v4.42). in xterm, copying and pasting works but pine (?) puts the whole text block, including the trailing whitespace at each line, into the cut-buffer. it seems more like simple rectangular text block is put into the buffer. enable-mouse-in-xterm is not activated. in the MacOS X terminal application (vt100), copy and paste is completely disabled when running pine - other applications works without any problems. does pine put the tty in some strange mode that makes copy and paste freak out? jakob -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 03:02:57 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:02:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3B2tT10165 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 03:02:41 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3B2fG17248; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:02:41 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3B2Eb10484; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:02:14 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3AxLn106056 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 02:59:21 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 02:59:21 2001 -0800 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3AxK930207 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 02:59:20 -0800 Received: from 213-78-40-127.friaco.onetel.net.uk (213-78-40-127.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.40.127]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ABU26154; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:59:10 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:04:05 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nancy McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Urgent flagging In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "William R. Van Kuyk" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Mac/Unix/PC Pine! Info @ www.ii.com X-X-Sender: nancy@imap.iecc.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 29 Nov 2001 William R. Van Kuyk (wvankuyk@icc.net) wrote: > It looks great.... Check out the enclosed image > > And the link is NOT clickable Thanks William! I've added info about X-Message-Flag to my main Pine page here http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#x-message-flag and included a link to the graphic you sent. Let me know if you want me to turn your name into a link, or remove your name. Also, if anyone has any more info about this header, your use of it, responses you've gotten from Outlook users, or suggestions for the contents of it, please let me know so I can add the info to my page. Thanks! Nancy -- ii Main Pine Page: Nancy McGough Infinite Ink --= Sent via Pine 4.43: IMAP, NNTP & ESMTP for Unix/Win/MacOS X =-- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 05:39:54 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:39:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3DdrT09052 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 05:39:40 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Dden10220; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:39:40 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3DdMb09988; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:39:22 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3DY9n109924 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:34:09 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 05:34:06 2001 -0800 Received: from borg.atecone.net (cm-24-161-43-0.nycap.rr.com [24.161.43.0]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3DY5913668 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:34:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (IDENT:Y5x3QuinRk0tutZraaG6cAPSzzvfZAY/@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by borg.atecone.net (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB3DY7O06777 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:34:07 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:34:07 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Fisk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Urgent flagging In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-message-flag: Get yourself a real mail client! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Nancy, could you block out my e-mail address in that picture, I already get way too much e-mail. =) Chris On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Nancy McGough wrote: >On 29 Nov 2001 William R. Van Kuyk (wvankuyk@icc.net) wrote: >> It looks great.... Check out the enclosed image >> >> And the link is NOT clickable > >Thanks William! I've added info about X-Message-Flag to my main >Pine page here > > http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#x-message-flag > >and included a link to the graphic you sent. Let me know if you >want me to turn your name into a link, or remove your name. > >Also, if anyone has any more info about this header, your use >of it, responses you've gotten from Outlook users, or suggestions >for the contents of it, please let me know so I can add the info >to my page. > >Thanks! >Nancy > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 05:52:04 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:52:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Dq2T10814 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 05:51:48 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Dpmn10403; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:51:48 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3DpR219826; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:51:27 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Dkhn94294 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:46:44 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 05:46:42 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Dkb200459 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:46:39 -0800 Received: from cactus.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [10.17.0.26]) by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24719 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:46:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (piotr@localhost) by cactus.sonytel.be (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fB3DkQA27961 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:46:26 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:46:26 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Murphy To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: What about "OutBox". MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: cactus.sonytel.be: piotr owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: piotr@cactus.sonytel.be X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, I wondering that the Pine doesn't have an feature which provide to store the outgoing e-mails into a file in case when somebody try to answer some email off-line. It would be nice to have some option like "Send to out-box", for example add some option for the option send (^X ^O). In this case pine should store these email's like it do for the POSTPONES except that they can be send without entering in any particular email and do ^X, Y. Instead could be nice to select using normal selection mode (;) and send some of these email's or all of them. What do you think about it? Regards, Murphy -- __ __ || || -++- -++- -------------------------------------------------------- ||\ /|| e-mail: murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl || || GG 107745 || || Everything is possible - this is only a question of time \/ \/ -------------------------------------------------------- 564 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 05:59:01 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:59:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Dx0T31073 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 05:58:44 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3DwhG20439; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:58:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3DwS209882; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:58:28 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Drrn94436 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:53:53 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 05:53:52 2001 -0800 Received: from albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.116]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Drp415612 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:53:51 -0800 Received: from madrid.ericsson.se (madrid.es.eu.ericsson.se [164.48.87.150]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.11.0/8.11.0/WIREfire-1.3) with SMTP id fB3Drou12504 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:53:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from E00C04FFB5466 by madrid.ericsson.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA28323; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:53:46 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:52:30 +0100 (Romance Standard Time) Reply-To: bertrand.perez@ree.ericsson.se Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Bertrand PEREZ (REE)" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: What about "OutBox". In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine INFO LIST X-message-flag: "Outlook: A program to spread viri, but it can do mail too!" X-X-Sender: reebepe@eestqnt104.es.eu.ericsson.se X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN very good idea! I need it too. But if I remmember well, this as already been asked and I think it has been said that this will be integrated somehow in a further release. Isn't it ? BR/Bertrand On (2001-12-03 14:46) Murphy wrote: >Hi, > >I wondering that the Pine doesn't have an feature which provide to store >the outgoing e-mails into a file in case when somebody try to answer >some email off-line. It would be nice to have some option like "Send to >out-box", for example add some option for the option send (^X ^O). In >this case pine should store these email's like it do for the POSTPONES >except that they can be send without entering in any particular email >and do ^X, Y. Instead could be nice to select using normal selection >mode (;) and send some of these email's or all of them. > >What do you think about it? > >Regards, >Murphy > >-- > __ __ > || || > -++- -++- -------------------------------------------------------- > ||\ /|| e-mail: murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl > || || GG 107745 > || || Everything is possible - this is only a question of time > \/ \/ -------------------------------------------------------- > 564 > > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ >----------------------------------------------------------------- > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 06:12:44 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:12:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3ECgT28805 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 06:12:31 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3ECUn10892; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:12:30 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3EC4b24006; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:12:05 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3E7Pn115932 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:07:27 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 06:07:21 2001 -0800 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3E7L918202 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:07:21 -0800 Received: from [213.78.39.126] ([213.78.39.126]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ABU36663; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:07:16 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:11:35 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nancy McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Urgent flagging In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Christopher Fisk X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Mac/Unix/PC Pine! Info @ www.ii.com X-X-Sender: nancy@imap.iecc.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 3 Dec 2001 Christopher Fisk (chrisf@mhonline.net) wrote: > Nancy, could you block out my e-mail address in that picture, I already > get way too much e-mail. =) Oops, sorry. I just removed the image and, according to my logs, hardly anyone looked at it so I hope it didn't generate any spam for you. I know almost nothing about creating and editing images so for now I don't have an image out there but maybe someone will send me another one with * no email address showing other than my public address (nm-this-address-is-valid@no.sp.am). * the current contents of my X-Message-Flag. It's a little different than it was and actually I'm still hoping to come up with something better so if anyone has suggestions, please let me know. * small size so it doesn't take long for people to download and view it. Thanks again for telling us about this great subversive header, Chris! Nancy -- ii Main Pine Page: Nancy McGough Infinite Ink --= Sent via Pine 4.43: IMAP, NNTP & ESMTP for Unix/Win/MacOS X =-- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 06:21:41 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:21:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3ELcT30531 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 06:21:25 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3ELPn11079; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:21:25 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3EKx415078; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:20:59 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3EGPn155372 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:16:25 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 06:16:24 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3EGK205094 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:16:22 -0800 Received: from cactus.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [10.17.0.27]) by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26772 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:16:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (piotr@localhost) by cactus.sonytel.be (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fB3EGHG28404 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:16:17 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:16:17 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Murphy To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: What about "OutBox". In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: cactus.sonytel.be: piotr owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: piotr@cactus.sonytel.be X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Bertrand PEREZ (REE) wrote: >very good idea! >I need it too. But if I remmember well, this as already >been asked and I think it has been said that this will be >integrated somehow in a further release. Isn't it ? I hope so they are will do it because it's sometime hard to do such tricks using actual implementation of Pine. Regards, Murphy -- __ __ || || -++- -++- -------------------------------------------------------- ||\ /|| e-mail: murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl || || GG 107745 || || Everything is possible - this is only a question of time \/ \/ -------------------------------------------------------- 564 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 07:08:08 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:08:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3F86T09992 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 07:07:56 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3F7uG21932; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:07:56 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3F76532600; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:07:06 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3F2Hn04804 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:02:17 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 07:02:16 2001 -0800 Received: from borg.atecone.net (cm-24-161-43-0.nycap.rr.com [24.161.43.0]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3F2F928409 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:02:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (IDENT:4w3hucSaGUmIaZW0K30Kda0PgG1LEXew@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by borg.atecone.net (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB3F2CO07607; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:02:12 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:02:12 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Fisk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Urgent flagging In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Nancy McGough X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-message-flag: Get yourself a real mail client! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >On 3 Dec 2001 Christopher Fisk (chrisf@mhonline.net) wrote: >> Nancy, could you block out my e-mail address in that picture, I already >> get way too much e-mail. =) > >Oops, sorry. I just removed the image and, according to my logs, >hardly anyone looked at it so I hope it didn't generate any spam >for you. Nah, I honestly didn't think I would get any spam from it (It's in image format so a web crawler can't read it) but it's just the idea of it =) I can't help you with an image for this as I do not use outlook/outlook express. I should really upgrade to 4.43 sometime today. Chris From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 07:52:02 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:52:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Fq0T16312 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 07:51:53 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Fprn13089; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:51:53 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Fpa230918; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:51:36 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Fnbn52900 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:49:37 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 07:49:34 2001 -0800 Received: from borg.atecone.net (cm-24-161-43-0.nycap.rr.com [24.161.43.0]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3FnX906438 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:49:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (IDENT:OXd3CdZDbs89deao1+OGDVLI69XHQvO4@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by borg.atecone.net (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB3FnEO08125; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:49:14 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:49:14 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Fisk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: What about "OutBox". In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Murphy X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-message-flag: Get yourself a real mail client! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >I wondering that the Pine doesn't have an feature which provide to store >the outgoing e-mails into a file in case when somebody try to answer >some email off-line. It would be nice to have some option like "Send to >out-box", for example add some option for the option send (^X ^O). In >this case pine should store these email's like it do for the POSTPONES >except that they can be send without entering in any particular email >and do ^X, Y. Instead could be nice to select using normal selection >mode (;) and send some of these email's or all of them. A possible workaround for this would be to install a True MTA on your machine and use localhost as your mail server. Then configure your mail server to pass everything to your ISP's mail server when it detects a connection. So pine would send the message off to the MTA which would be able to hold messages in a queue until connection is detected. Not the best solution, but one that will work. For example, you would add the following to your sendmail.mc and rebuild your sendmail.cf file. define(`SMART_HOST',`mail.yourisp.net')dnl MASQUERADE_AS(yourisp.net)dnl FEATURE(`allmasquerade')dnl FEATURE(`masquerade_envelope')dnl This of course isn't pine specific, but if you needed a working solution there ya go. Christopher Fisk From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 08:00:16 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:00:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3G0DT06063 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 08:00:03 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3G02n13278; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:00:03 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Fxjb09532; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:59:45 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Fvan52860 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:57:36 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 07:57:35 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3FvY225814 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:57:34 -0800 Received: from cactus.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [10.17.0.26]) by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04470 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:57:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (piotr@localhost) by cactus.sonytel.be (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fB3FvWL29936 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:57:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:57:32 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Murphy To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: What about "OutBox". In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: cactus.sonytel.be: piotr owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: piotr@cactus.sonytel.be X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >A possible workaround for this would be to install a True MTA on your >machine and use localhost as your mail server. Then configure your mail >server to pass everything to your ISP's mail server when it detects a >connection. (cut) The problem is that I'm more less like a normal user - no administration rights. But I would like to have one file which I could "prepare" at home, compress it and get on floppy disk and later on put it back to the pine mail directory and send it. I know that I can do it using POSTPONES file but there is still this same problem that every one message had to be send separately. Regards, Murphy -- __ __ || || -++- -++- -------------------------------------------------------- ||\ /|| e-mail: murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl || || GG 107745 || || Everything is possible - this is only a question of time \/ \/ -------------------------------------------------------- 564 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 13:48:06 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:48:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3LlxT20142 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 13:47:52 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3LlpG04751; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:47:51 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3LlOb19508; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:47:24 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Lhmn136806 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:43:48 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 13:43:48 2001 -0800 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Lhl201773 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:43:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 29503 invoked by uid 1828); 3 Dec 2001 21:43:47 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:43:47 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: pine in terminal on osx In-Reply-To: <200112030009.fB309rb26740@list4.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Jakob Schlyter >in the MacOS X terminal application (vt100), copy and paste is completely >disabled when running pine - other applications works without any >problems. I have no idea what you are talking about here. I presume you mean Terminal.app. What version of the OS are you running on, what version of pine (I think that was in the orig message), etc..? I run pine (4.40) on Terminal all the time, in fact I'm doing it right now, and there are no problems whatsoever with copy and paste. >does pine put the tty in some strange mode that makes copy and paste freak >out? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 13:56:04 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Lu1T17148 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 13:55:53 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Ltrn28084; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:55:53 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3LtM413580; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:55:23 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Lq2n96896 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:52:02 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 13:51:58 2001 -0800 Received: from akka.lingwa.org.mt ([194.204.108.89]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Lpv919907 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:51:57 -0800 Received: from srl (helo=localhost) by akka.lingwa.org.mt with local-esmtp (Exim 3.33 #4) id 16B10a-0000sd-00; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:52:16 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:52:13 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: srl@monkey.sbay.org Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Steven R. Loomis" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: pine in terminal on osx In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: "Steven R. Loomis" X-To: jakob@crt.se X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: srl@akka X-message-flag: Outlook: Advanced virus replication software! http://www.rodos.net/outlook/ X-Subspace-Routing-Agent: ss-txn-004e-monkey-gw01 [ 0.14.206.240 : 2066] X-Subspace-Carrier-Hint: 0x004ef926d020a001; mqtn=3; bxfr=false X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN If you use colors, you can't see the selection behind the colors. The selection is there, and copy and paste are there. Try it :) I guess it's a bug in Terminal? -Steven (I copied and pasted your address, Jakob :) On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote: > >From: Jakob Schlyter > >in the MacOS X terminal application (vt100), copy and paste is completely > >disabled when running pine - other applications works without any > >problems. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 13:59:42 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:59:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3LxdT13638 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 13:59:31 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3LxVn28245; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:59:31 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Lx1515852; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:59:01 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3LtAn129592 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:55:10 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 13:55:07 2001 -0800 Received: from nic.crt.se (nic.crt.se [193.12.107.10]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Lt6B14834 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:55:07 -0800 Received: from mail.crt.se (postiljon.crt.se [172.16.1.14]) by nic.crt.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B525289; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:55:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from crt.se (fonbella.crt.se [172.16.1.169]) by mail.crt.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9F31DA4; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:55:02 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:55:01 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jakob Schlyter To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: pine in terminal on osx In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Steven R. Loomis" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Steven R. Loomis wrote: > If you use colors, you can't see the selection behind the colors. The > selection is there, and copy and paste are there. Try it :) ah, that was it - thanks a lot. > I guess it's a bug in Terminal? yes, it certainly is - I'll try and report that to the developers. jakob From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 14:09:01 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:09:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3M8wT18095 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 14:08:50 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3M8nn28809; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:08:49 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3M3Nb20878; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:03:23 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Ltbn141356 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:55:37 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 13:55:36 2001 -0800 Received: from mule.its.vu.edu.au (mule.its.vu.edu.AU [140.159.30.9]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3LtZB15014 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:55:35 -0800 Received: from centaur.its.vu.edu.au (centaur.its.vu.edu.au [140.159.60.107]) by mule.its.vu.edu.au (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fB3LtTKI030542 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:55:29 +1100 Received: from cerberus.its.vu.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by centaur.its.vu.edu.au (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB3LtSZ27090 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:55:28 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:56:28 +1100 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Stewart James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Urgent flagging In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: stewart@cerberus.its.vu.edu.au X-Message-Flag: "Get yourself a real mail client!" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Has anyone seen this working when the recipient is using OUtlook XP and an IMAP server? The person accross from me uses that configuration, but X-Message-Flag: and X-Message: does not have the desired effect. Reply-By: does work as the Anti Outlook Site mentions. Stewart. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 15:00:01 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:59:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3MxuT12962 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 14:59:44 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Mxin30926; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:59:44 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3MxI524506; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:59:19 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB3Murn37464 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:56:53 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 14:56:53 2001 -0800 Received: from beavis.ccit.arizona.edu (beavis.CCIT.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.46]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB3Muq414895 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:56:52 -0800 Received: (from murphy@localhost) by beavis.ccit.arizona.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17273 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:44:52 -0700 Message-Id: <20011203154452.F17091@beavis.ccit.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:44:52 -0700 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Brian Murphy To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PCPine 4.43 wildcard certificate bug Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN PCPine 4.43 fails during SSL/TLS certificate validation. The reason quoted is: Server name does not match certificate The details screen says the following: Host given by user: murphy.inbox.email.arizona.edu Reason for failure: Server name does not match certificte Certificate being verified: C=US, S=Arizona, L=Tucson, O=The University of Arizona, OU=CCIT, CN=*.email.arizona.edu (End of details screen) As you can clearly see, murphy.inbox.email.arizona.edu should be covered by *.email.arizona.edu. And additionally, other mail clients work fine. This is from PCPine on Win98, but it seems to hold for all versions of windows. If I answer "Yes" to ignore the warning and continue, pine says: [IMAP Authentication cancelled] [No folder opened] And similarly, if I add the /novalidate-cert option, I get the same [IMAP Authentication cancelled] message. So, first, is this being worked on? Second, is this an appropriate forum for bugs? Third, is there some sort of bug list or tracking system that I can look at to follow this bug? Thanks. Brian Murphy -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 3 20:49:47 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:49:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB44nhT05298 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 20:49:36 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB44naG19063; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:49:36 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB44mr228290; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:48:53 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB44kmn130200 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:46:48 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 03 20:46:47 2001 -0800 Received: from mule.its.vu.edu.au (mule.its.vu.edu.AU [140.159.30.9]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB44kk200314 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:46:47 -0800 Received: from centaur.its.vu.edu.au (centaur.its.vu.edu.au [140.159.60.107]) by mule.its.vu.edu.au (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fB44kjKI022137 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:46:45 +1100 Received: from cerberus.its.vu.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by centaur.its.vu.edu.au (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB44kju20863 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:46:45 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:47:48 +1100 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Stewart James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Controlling the return path. (SMTP MAIL From:) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: stewart@cerberus.its.vu.edu.au X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, I am just realising that my return path is being incorectly set when sending an email. I have pine 4.42 configured to use an SMTP server, which does not do any address re-writing. In my pinerc file I have my domain set to @vu.edu.au, I also tried setting my user-id to stewart.james, under linux my username is stewart. When ever I send an email the SMTP server is being told my return-path is stewart@vu.edu.au not what I have set as my From header. Is there a way to get pine to use my From header email address when it issues the SMTP MAIL From: command (for those who don;t knwo this is what gets placed in the Return-Path header)? Thanks, Stewart -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 4 06:11:27 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:11:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB4EBQT32193 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 04 06:11:16 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB4EBGn20894; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:11:16 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB4EAh417126; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:10:43 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB4E7Gn87310 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:07:16 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 04 06:07:15 2001 -0800 Received: from phobos.fphil.uniba.sk (phobos.fphil.uniba.sk [158.195.119.96]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB4E7E219682 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:07:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 8654 invoked by uid 1002); 4 Dec 2001 14:10:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 14:10:04 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:10:04 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: Jozef Hitzinger Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jozef Hitzinger To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: 4.4x + maildir patch - unable to save to mbox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, I use pine for quite long time now, and because I use qmail and Maiildir on my system, I also maintain the page for maildir pine patches (http://hico.fphil.uniba.sk/pine-patches.html). Several people reported problem with using the maildir patch with current (4.4x) pine. Up to 4.33, after applying the patch only Inbox was in Maildir format, and if you (S)aved mail from it to another folder, it used mbox driver for it. That made sense, at least to me (won't go into Maildir vs mbox debate). In 4.4x this is no longer the case, if Inbox is maildir, and message is (S)aved, it creates mbox ok, but tries to use maildir driver to write to it. That fails, of course. Seems as a pine bug to me. Now the question: I've identified the routine save() in mailcmd.c as the source of our problems. If I comment out the following code /* * If any of the messages have exceptional attachment handling * we have to fall thru below to do the APPEND by hand... */ if(!msgno_any_deletedparts(stream, msgmap)){ /* * Compare the current stream (the save's source) and the stream * the destination folder will need... */ context_apply(tmp, context, save_folder, sizeof(tmp)); save_stream = (stream->dtb->flags & DR_LOCAL) && !IS_REMOTE(tmp) ? stream : context_same_stream(context, save_folder, stream); } at the start of this function, so that save_stream remains NULL, it appears to work as in 4.33. Can anybody help me understand what is this code trying to do, and why it gives us these problems? Or at least confirm that commenting this out will not break other things .. Thanks, -- jozef :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 4 10:57:19 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:57:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB4IvAT05749 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 04 10:57:01 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB4Iv1n31166; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:57:01 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB4IVN418534; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:31:23 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB4ISLn59690 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:28:21 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 04 10:28:21 2001 -0800 Received: from users.assist.ro (proxy1.assist.ro [194.102.130.2]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB4ISK225367 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:28:20 -0800 Received: from dialup06.assist.ro (dialup06.assist.ro [194.102.130.38]) by users.assist.ro (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB4ISHE15973 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:28:18 +0200 Message-Id: <16017919203.20011204202439@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:24:39 +0200 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Silviu Cojocaru To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: What about "OutBox". In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 3 Dec 2001 at 20:23:55 , Bertrand PEREZ (REE) wrote the following on the "What about "OutBox"." thread: > very good idea! > I need it too. But if I remmember well, this as already > been asked and I think it has been said that this will be > integrated somehow in a further release. Isn't it ? That is the answer I got from the developers some time ago. I hope it will as it is a major back step for pine. - -- You know, it's strong enough for a Manos, but it's made for a Womanos ______________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Member of the PGP-Basics, Encryption Help Team iD8DBQE8DRTp8WBGNj3ut+0RAoU0AKDn54x0sdfogdomOiGbMOzbQvSbiwCeKLdv oIgqV4BEqm00QeoDSN13u0U= =yr7n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 4 17:42:42 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:42:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB51gfT15681 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 04 17:42:28 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB51gRn15131; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:42:27 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB51fsb09990; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:41:55 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB51Upn136888 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:30:51 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 04 17:30:50 2001 -0800 Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB51Uo209718 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:30:50 -0800 Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.2]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB51UoD31434; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:30:50 -0800 Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.58]) by mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB51Uow09798; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:30:50 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:08:12 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mark Crispin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: re: PCPine 4.43 wildcard certificate bug In-Reply-To: <20011203154452.F17091@beavis.ccit.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Sender: Mark Crispin X-To: Brian Murphy X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:44:52 -0700, Brian Murphy wrote: > As you can clearly see, murphy.inbox.email.arizona.edu should be covered > by *.email.arizona.edu. The authors of OpenSSL (UNIX) and SSPI (Microsoft) disagree with you. Pine's certificate validation uses OpenSSL's ssl_compare_hostnames() on UNIX, and SSPI's CertVerifyCertificateChainPolicy() on the PC. I also spoke to our local security/SSL/certificate management guru, and he confirmed that a * wildcard does not cross subdomain boundaries. > And additionally, other mail clients work fine. Do those other clients validate certificates? > [IMAP Authentication cancelled] > [No folder opened] > > And similarly, if I add the /novalidate-cert option, I get the same > [IMAP Authentication cancelled] message. This is a bug in the murphy.inbox.email.arizona.edu server. I do not know what server implementation this is; the only identification in its startup banner is "IMAP4 server ready (6.0.036)". When TLS is in effect, it offers the AUTH=PLAIN SASL authentication mechanism. The failing dialog with the server goes like this: S: 00000003 AUTHENTICATE PLAIN ---> S: + go ahead C: * S: 00000003 NO authentication aborted The problem is in the indicated line. The text of a command continuation request response in the AUTHENTICATE command is a server challenge in BASE64 representation (RFC 2060, page 21, second paragraph). This is different from command continuation request responses in other commands, which permit free form text. "go ahead" is not valid BASE64, due to the embedded space. Furthermore, since there is no initial challenge in the PLAIN mechanism (RFC 2595, page 8, third paragraph), that challenge is required to be be zero length (RFC 2222, page 5, section 5.1, third paragraph). Hence, the server should have send just "+ ". Since the server violated SASL (RFC 2222) and IMAP (RFC 2060) protocol, Pine's IMAP client abandoned the authentication attempt. > So, first, is this being worked on? I don't know. Ask your local help desk if they are working on fixing the incorrect certificate and the bugs in your local IMAP server. > Second, is this an appropriate forum for bugs? Better is email to pine@cac.washington.edu. > Third, is there some sort of bug list or tracking system that I can > look at to follow this bug? We have an in-house bug tracking system, but I don't think that it is available outside of our group. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 6 08:17:24 2001 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:17:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6GHHT13490 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 08:17:07 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6GH7G21155; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:17:07 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6GGS527270; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:16:29 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6GDJn111274 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:13:19 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 08:13:18 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.vo.com ([208.36.81.99]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6GDHB13039 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:13:18 -0800 Received: from colossus.i2x (colossus.i2x [192.168.1.1]) by mail.vo.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fB6GC670008733 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:12:06 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:12:06 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "S. Alexander Jacobson" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: delete in reverse lists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: alex@colossus.i2x X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have my inbox sorted by reverse-arrival time (so newer stuff is on top). However, I would still like to read my newer mail in temporal order. Is there a way to set the delete key to move UP after I delete a message rather than down? I find myself doing Delete-Up-Up all the time, when I would much ratehr just hit Delete and have the cursor be on the next message in temporal order (even though I am sorted reverse). Alternatively, is there a way to enable the Backspace key on lists to do backward delete on lists, just as it does in text? -Alex- ___________________________________________________________________ S. Alexander Jacobson i2x Media 1-917-783-0889 voice 1-212-697-1427 fax -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:36:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6JaXT20550 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 11:36:19 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6JaJG32225; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:36:19 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6JZq230904; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:35:52 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6JXLn114918 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:33:22 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 11:33:21 2001 -0800 Received: from null.cc.uic.edu (null.pharm.uic.edu [128.248.76.23]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6JXKB23760 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:33:20 -0800 Received: from localhost (seva@localhost) by null.cc.uic.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fB6JXKn07266; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:33:20 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:33:20 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Simon Epsteyn To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: IMAP INBOX access MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: seva@null.cc.uic.edu X-Foo: Bar X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This seems like a silly question to ask, but I can't figure this out (and can't find any documentation on this) How does one access remote IMAP INBOX (/var/spool/mail/)? I can access remote "collection" (home dir) just fine. This is using pine 4.33 (Red Hat Linux 7.1) Thanks, /Simon -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:44:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6JiJT20300 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 11:44:10 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6JiAG32562; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:44:10 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6Jhmb15812; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:43:48 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6Jfkn133778 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:41:46 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 11:41:45 2001 -0800 Received: from null.cc.uic.edu (null.pharm.uic.edu [128.248.76.23]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6JfjB27190 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:41:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (seva@localhost) by null.cc.uic.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fB6JfjO07331; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:41:45 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:41:45 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Simon Epsteyn To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Duh (Re: IMAP INBOX access) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: seva@null.cc.uic.edu X-Foo: Bar X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Simon Epsteyn wrote: SE> This seems like a silly question to ask, but I can't figure this out (and SE> can't find any documentation on this) SE> SE> How does one access remote IMAP INBOX (/var/spool/mail/)? I can access SE> remote "collection" (home dir) just fine. SE> SE> This is using pine 4.33 (Red Hat Linux 7.1) Ok, never mind that, I figured this out a second after sending this ;) This is done via "incoming-folders= nick {host}INBOX", not via "folder-collections=" I did not see any way to configure this other then edit .pinerc /Simon From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:18:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6KIST22305 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 12:18:00 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6KHxn25483; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:17:59 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6KHU209780; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:17:30 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6KCSn166926 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:12:29 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 12:12:24 2001 -0800 Received: from jsalmi.com (jsalmi64.dsl.frii.net [216.17.180.64]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6KCN201756 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:12:23 -0800 Received: from jsalmi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jsalmi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fB6KDlUX027234; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:13:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bill@localhost) by jsalmi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) with ESMTP id fB6KDlTj027231; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:13:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:13:47 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: Bill Hunter Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: bill hunter To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: ssh: was Re: IMAP INBOX access In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Simon Epsteyn X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Simon Epsteyn wrote: > This seems like a silly question to ask, but I can't figure this out (and > can't find any documentation on this) > > How does one access remote IMAP INBOX (/var/spool/mail/)? I can access > remote "collection" (home dir) just fine. > > This is using pine 4.33 (Red Hat Linux 7.1) >From main menu, select "l" for folders, you should be on "Incoming-Folders", hit enter, then "a" to add, you will be prompted from there. What I want to know, is how can I do this to access a remote inbox via ssh? I am behind a firewall, and the only outbound access I have is through ssh. ssh is setup and configured correctly, works interactively just fine. i am running 4.40 on Solaris if it matters, and have set: incoming-folders=other-inbox {remote-server.com/user=bill}inbox rsh-path=/usr/local/bin/ssh rsh-command=%s /usr/local/bin/ssh %s remote-server.com %s bill %s imap ssh-path=/usr/local/bin/ssh ssh-command=%s /usr/local/bin/ssh %s remote-server.com %s bill %s imap i get an error saying the remote server does not exist... help or pointers? thanks, bill From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6KRmT22648 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 12:27:41 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6KRfn25834; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:27:41 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6KRD415982; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:27:13 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6KPIn90092 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:25:19 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 12:25:18 2001 -0800 Received: from null.cc.uic.edu (null.pharm.uic.edu [128.248.76.23]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6KPE430642 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:25:18 -0800 Received: from localhost (seva@localhost) by null.cc.uic.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fB6KPAF07888; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:25:11 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:25:10 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Simon Epsteyn To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ssh: was Re: IMAP INBOX access In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Bill Hunter X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: seva@null.cc.uic.edu X-Foo: Bar X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, bill hunter wrote: bh> >From main menu, select "l" for folders, you should be on bh> "Incoming-Folders", hit enter, then "a" to add, you will be prompted from bh> there. Yeah, thanks, I found that... A bit inconsistent from the rest of the setup (via Main Menu, Setup) bh> What I want to know, is how can I do this to access a remote inbox via bh> ssh? I am behind a firewall, and the only outbound access I have is bh> through ssh. Not sure how to do this via pine, but you can always tunnel ports via SSH, for example here's a guide I found via Google: http://csociety.ecn.purdue.edu/~sigos/projects/ssh/forwarding/ Look on the bottom: 'Secure port forwarding with "ssh -L"' You can forward arbitrary connections through your ssh tunnel using the -L option. This makes your ssh client listen on a given port and forward traffic received there through the tunnel; it instructs the remote sshd to send the traffic to a given IP address and port. 1011 (sergent@hill-b-118:~) ssh -L 4242:shay:23 shay 1001 (sergent@shay:~) *switch window* 1007 (sergent@hill-b-118:~) telnet localhost 4242 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. UNIX(r) System V Release 4.0 (shay.ecn.purdue.edu) login: /Simon From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:22:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6LMjT06528 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 13:22:40 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6LMeG03867; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:22:40 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6LM2539354; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:22:02 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6LJUn107150 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:19:30 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 13:19:30 2001 -0800 Received: from mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca (mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA [130.113.64.66]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6LJT417946 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:19:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (kleefstr@localhost) by mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca with ESMTP id QAA19146 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:19:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:19:29 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jessie Kleefstra To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Status In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN In the full header of a message, the Status sometimes shows 'R' or 'O' or 'RO'. I am assuming that the 'R' means Read but what does the 'O' mean? Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: ----- Jessie Kleefstra E-Mail: kleefstr@mcmaster.ca Sr. Consultant, Helpdesk Services Phone: (905) 525-9140 ext. 24357 Computing & Information Services Fax: (905) 528-3773 ABB-132 McMaster University -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:50:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6MoFT06522 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 14:50:04 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6Mo4G07106; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:50:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6MnD528000; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:49:14 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6MCZn174096 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:12:45 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 14:12:34 2001 -0800 Received: from durian.team.xtra.co.nz (xtra185136.xtra.co.nz [202.27.185.136]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6MCX216784 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:12:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (richard authenticated using CRAM-MD5 (0 bits)) by durian.team.xtra.co.nz (8.12.1/8.12.0) with ESMTP id fB6MAoXk002625 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified NOT); Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:13:15 +1300 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:10:50 +1300 (NZDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Richard Stevenson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ssh: was Re: IMAP INBOX access In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Bill Hunter X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, bill hunter wrote: > ssh is setup and configured correctly, works interactively just fine. i am > running 4.40 on Solaris if it matters, and have set: > > incoming-folders=other-inbox {remote-server.com/user=bill}inbox > ssh-path=/usr/local/bin/ssh > ssh-command=%s /usr/local/bin/ssh %s remote-server.com %s bill %s imap You don't need to specify the remote server or the actual path to the ssh binary in ssh-command - Pine passes them to the exec() call. I use this (using OpenSSH 3.0.1p1, IIRC): ssh-open-timeout=30 ssh-path=/usr/bin/ssh ssh-command=%s %s -1 -C -i /home/richard/.ssh/imap-key -l %s exec /etc/r%sd Note that said imap-key is an RSA key with no passphrase, and on the remote end is set up so that the key can't be used to get a shell or run anything other than "exec /etc/rimapd" (which may or may not exist on your system - you'll need to check the documentation for your IMAP daemon to see if you can make it do this). I should probably use a key that has a passphrase, but I'm lazy... The comments above the ssh-command line in the .pinerc documents this stuff pretty well. You should probably also add the /Secure flag to your mailbox spec: incoming-folders=other-inbox {remote-server.com/Secure/user=bill}inbox Cheers Richard -- Richard Stevenson, Systems Specialist, Xtra Limited Phone: +64 9 355 5231 Mobile: +64 25 290 3101 Pager: +64 26 100 155 One of my local bookshops still has all the MCSE course materials filed under "IDIOTS"... -- Chris King, in the Monastery From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:53:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6Mr0T10848 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 14:52:49 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6MqnG07203; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:52:49 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6MqG545522; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:52:16 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB6MIPn20418 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:18:25 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 14:18:24 2001 -0800 Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB6MINB27062 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:18:23 -0800 Received: from colt.ncptiddische.net (ppp-161.wobline.de [212.68.69.169]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/tw-20010821) with ESMTP id fB6MILA32374 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:18:21 +0100 Received: from tisys.org (poison.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.5]) by colt.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB6MJXW48020 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:19:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: from poison.ncptiddische.net (poison.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.5]) by tisys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB6MIP163924 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:18:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Message-Id: <20011206231245.F63916-100000@poison.ncptiddische.net> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:18:25 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nils Holland To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Color support under FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: nils@poison.ncptiddische.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi folks, I have been using pine (currently 4.40) under FreeBSd for quite some years now, and just today, I played around with the configuration a little one more time. I thought I might try enabling pine's color support, but there seems gto be a problem with just doing that: With color support turned on (no matter which one of the three options that are available is selected), the screen gets pretty much messed up. All lines seem to get redrawn exactly one line below their original position. As a result of that, the entries in pine's menues get displayed twice, and that just looks kind of strange. Interestingly, when trying to run pine with color under an xterm, everything looks fine. Any suggestions on what's wrong and how it can be fixed are welcome. Greetings Nils Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:20:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB70KaT30008 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 16:20:29 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB70KTG10464; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:20:29 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB70K4b32666; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:20:04 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB70Hwn20372 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:17:58 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 16:17:58 2001 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB70HwB10994 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:17:58 -0800 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB70HuM136904; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:17:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:17:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Status In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Jessie Kleefstra X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Jessie Kleefstra (kleefstr@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote in the...: :) In the full header of a message, the Status sometimes shows 'R' or 'O' or :) 'RO'. I am assuming that the 'R' means Read but what does the 'O' mean? It means Old: the message was there the last time that you opened the folder and you did not delete it and expunge it from the folder. In IMAPSTATUS those messages are marked by a blank space if they have a "R", and marked with a "U" if there's no "R". -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:53:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB73rDT02397 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 19:53:12 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB73rCAc007290; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:53:12 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB73qfb17144; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:52:41 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB73obn129542 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:50:37 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 19:50:36 2001 -0800 Received: from gort.cjb.net (dsl-65-184-132-241.telocity.com [65.184.132.241]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB73oa220858 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:50:36 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gort.cjb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618A8A5D7 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:51:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:51:04 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Satya To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: satyap@localhost X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN People say Pine lacks HTML support. Well Pine recognizes the blockquote tag (and others -- in *properly formatted* HTML, which is the problem) just fine and inserts the reply lead-in correctly. T'is 4.21. I say to the developers: good work! -- Satya. A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:06:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB746RT06218 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 20:05:54 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB745sAc007503; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:05:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB745W538116; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:05:32 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB743an129614 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:03:36 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 20:03:32 2001 -0800 Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB743V223000 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:03:32 -0800 Received: from dialup-63.212.130.98.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774008FC1 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:03:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:03:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@chicago.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote: > People say Pine lacks HTML support. Really? When I used to use "mailx" (which I had for about 15 years), the encroaching use of the dreaded HTML (no doubt brought on by people using Microsoft VirusSpreader- er LookOut!) meant I tossed your message. Now, Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!) Like Satya said, "Kudos to the Pine Dev team!" -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:20:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB75KQT18434 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 21:20:24 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB75KOAc008917; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:20:24 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB75Jr416708; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:19:53 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB75Hxn13932 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:17:59 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 21:17:58 2001 -0800 Received: from gort.cjb.net (dsl-65-184-132-241.telocity.com [65.184.132.241]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB75Hw428683 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:17:58 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gort.cjb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF57DA5DC for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:18:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:18:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Satya To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: satyap@localhost X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Dec 6, 2001 at 20:03, Kenneth Crudup wrote: >On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote: >> People say Pine lacks HTML support. Someone who shall remain nameless (because that was a private reply) just told me that the behaviour I decsribed might have been Pine replying to the text alternative of the message. Still, good! >Microsoft VirusSpreader- er LookOut!) meant I tossed your message. Now, >Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!) Yes, which is all a Good Thing. I did say "sanely". The people who say Pine lacks HTML support either use an old version or don't have Clue. The same people who click on attachments in certain other programs. -- Satya. 'Press to test.' 'Release to detonate.' From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:16:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB77GrT17965 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 23:16:48 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB77GmAc010885; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:16:48 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB77GL405880; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:16:21 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB77EAn04510 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:14:10 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 06 23:14:10 2001 -0800 Received: from poertel.s0.plb.de (spira.plb.de [193.175.255.7]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB77E6223232 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:14:08 -0800 Received: from mailplb.s1.plb.de (mailplb.s1.plb.de [10.1.0.12]) by poertel.s0.plb.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.2 (i386)) with ESMTP id D299721EC for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:19:10 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:24:36 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: "plb.it" Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "plb.it" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine 4.21: quell new-monthly-folders ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: bork@plb.de X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi altogether, using Pine the 1st time each month Pine offers a number of new monthly-folders. Positive answers are entered in .pinerc somewhere, which thus must be writable. We would like to simply quell this offer, and not write .pinerc. However, we cannot find any suitable option. Any hints or help ? TIA, kind regards, hbk ;-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:31:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7GV0T32698 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 08:30:55 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB7GUsrs028650; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:30:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7GUL419806; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:30:21 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7GRQn86560 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:27:26 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 08:27:26 2001 -0800 Received: from evtvir03.tc.fluke.com (mail.fluke.com [129.196.128.53]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB7GRQ401068 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:27:26 -0800 Received: from evtvir03.tc.fluke.com ([129.196.128.53]) by evtvir03.tc.fluke.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2CANPPC; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:27:35 -0800 Received: FROM dd BY evtvir03.tc.fluke.com ; Fri Dec 07 08:27:27 2001 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:27:22 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: David Dyck To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Pine 4.21: quell new-monthly-folders ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "plb.it" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 at 08:24 +0100, plb.it wrote: > Hi altogether, using Pine the 1st time > each month Pine offers a number of > new monthly-folders. > Positive answers are entered in .pinerc somewhere, > which thus must be writable. > We would like to simply quell this offer, > and not write .pinerc. > However, we cannot find any suitable option. > Any hints or help ? read Gopi Sundaram's comp.mail.pine FAQ at http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/other.html Every month, Pine asks me if I want to rename my old sent-mail and delete the old ones. How do I stop/change this behavior? For Pine versions 4.30 and above, set the appropriate action in the pruning-rule option under (M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig. For earlier versions, it is only possible to make it stop renaming and deleting your sent-mail. To do so, edit your .pinerc file, and change the value of the last-time-prune-questioned option to some ridiculously high value. The value for the option is of the form years_since_1900.month. So to set it to December 2050, you would make the value as follows: last-time-prune-questioned=150.12 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:48:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7ImrT09528 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 10:48:51 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7ImoQL000930; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:48:50 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7Ilr517148; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:47:53 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7Ijfn38448 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:45:41 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 10:45:40 2001 -0800 Received: from li-exchange-01.icc.net (mail.icc.net [208.178.142.15]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fB7IjeB10248 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:45:40 -0800 Received: from eagle-nest.li.icc.net ([208.178.142.151]) by li-exchange-01.icc.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 402QZKFV; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:45:33 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:46:11 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "William R. Van Kuyk" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: LDAP auth.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: wvankuyk@mail.icc.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, Does anyone know how to send an username/password to an LDAP server via pinerc ?? Anonymous connections are denied. Thanks William R. Van Kuyk Senior Systems Engineer Department of Operations mailto:wvankuyk@icc.net Internet Commerce Corporation 45 Research Way - Suite 206 East Setauket, NY 11733 (p) 631-590-1010 x5104 (f) 631-246-5677 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:51:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7Lp9T17970 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 13:51:07 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7Lp6G3030901; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:51:07 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7Loc540940; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:50:39 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7LmOn162208 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:48:24 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 13:48:24 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7LmOvI012894 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:48:24 -0800 Received: from wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (wgs.apps1.bellhow.com [192.168.70.70]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09512 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA28338 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:48:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:48:18 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: ALL the headers, sometimes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: wgs.apps1.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@wgs.apps1.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the headers of this message I'm looking at? Background: I switched to pine from elm when the company decided all mail goes through an exchange server (they were very gracious in not forcing me to use OutLook as my MUA). I run a mailing list and sometimes I want to see all the headers just to figure out WHAT'S GOING ON HERE! It would not be burdensome to have to save such a message to a special folder with strange configuration, but it is not good enough to say, "Show me all the headers on this list of headers." Currently, I'm saving a message to a new folder and looking at the folder with emacs or less. In fact, that's how I got the Sender: header contents for this e-mail list to put into a pine rule that files the list traffic in its own folder. -- dan dlh@dlh.com http://www.NationalReform.org/ - Explicitly Christian Politics Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh, but in vain. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:08:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7M86T04374 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:07:53 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7M7rQL006687; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:07:53 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7M70420352; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:07:00 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7LvWn19096 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:58:03 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 13:57:31 2001 -0800 Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7LvUNR003653 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:57:31 -0800 Received: from dialup-63.209.87.208.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E508F23 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:57:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:57:06 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ALL the headers, sometimes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@chicago.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance Herrick wrote: > Is tHere a way to ask pine to sHow me all tHe > Headers of tHis message I'm looking at? Had you botHered to Have a Hint to Harken to tHe Help, you migHt Have seen a Heading for tHe "H" key. :-) -Kenny -- KennetH R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, WasHington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:10:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7MADT31547 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:10:08 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7MA8G3031512; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:10:08 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7M9ab18828; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:09:36 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7Lw6n115750 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:58:07 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 13:58:05 2001 -0800 Received: from null.cc.uic.edu (null.pharm.uic.edu [128.248.76.23]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7Lw5cZ005188 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:58:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (seva@localhost) by null.cc.uic.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fB7Lvn124741; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:57:49 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:57:49 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Simon Epsteyn To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ALL the headers, sometimes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: daniel lance herrick X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: seva@null.cc.uic.edu X-Foo: Bar X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote: dlh> dlh> Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the dlh> headers of this message I'm looking at? Sure, >From Main menu, Setup, Config under Advanced Command Preferences see enable-full-header-cmd Help (ctrl-g) for it: This feature enables the "H Full Headers" command which toggles between the display of all headers in the message and the normal edited view of headers. The Full Header command also controls which headers are included for Export, Pipe, Print, Forward, and Reply functions. (For Reply, the Full Header mode will respect the "include-headers-in-reply" feature setting.) /Simon From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:33:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7MXvT24788 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:33:55 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7MXtG3032245; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:33:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7MXA225614; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:33:11 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7M31n45358 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:03:01 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:03:01 2001 -0800 Received: from borg.atecone.net (cm-24-161-43-0.nycap.rr.com [24.161.43.0]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7M30NR005148 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:03:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (IDENT:UnB4/K/VwO1w7aWGk8b+4KtOqIeQXyjw@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by borg.atecone.net (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB7M33Z11156; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:03:03 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:03:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Fisk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ALL the headers, sometimes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: daniel lance herrick X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-message-flag: Get yourself a real mail client! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN In Setup/Config you can goto the [ Advanced Command Preferences ] scroll down a bit and you will see: [X] enable-full-header-cmd Check that, then hit "H" when in a message to view full headers. You can also manually edit .pinerc and make sure of the following: feature-list=enable-full-header-cmd Happy mailing, Christopher Fisk On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote: > >Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the >headers of this message I'm looking at? > >Background: I switched to pine from elm when the >company decided all mail goes through an exchange >server (they were very gracious in not forcing me >to use OutLook as my MUA). > >I run a mailing list and sometimes I want to see >all the headers just to figure out WHAT'S GOING ON >HERE! > >It would not be burdensome to have to save such a >message to a special folder with strange >configuration, but it is not good enough to say, >"Show me all the headers on this list of headers." > >Currently, I'm saving a message to a new folder >and looking at the folder with emacs or less. In >fact, that's how I got the Sender: header contents >for this e-mail list to put into a pine rule that >files the list traffic in its own folder. > >-- >dan dlh@dlh.com >http://www.NationalReform.org/ - Explicitly Christian Politics >Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh, but in vain. > > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:36:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7Ma1T06627 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:35:59 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7MZwQL007563; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:35:59 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7MZU209340; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:35:30 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7M25n53424 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:02:06 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:02:01 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7M20NR004809 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:02:00 -0800 Received: from wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (wgs.apps1.bellhow.com [192.168.70.70]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09801; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA28370; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:01:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:01:54 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ALL the headers, sometimes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Simon Epsteyn X-Cc: daniel lance herrick , Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: wgs.apps1.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@wgs.apps1.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Thank-you. It's done. That was why I subscribed to the list. dan On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Simon Epsteyn wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote: > > dlh> > dlh> Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the > dlh> headers of this message I'm looking at? > > Sure, > > From Main menu, Setup, Config > under Advanced Command Preferences > see enable-full-header-cmd > > Help (ctrl-g) for it: > > This feature enables the "H Full Headers" command which toggles > between the display of all headers in the message and the normal > edited view of headers. The Full Header command also controls which > headers are included for Export, Pipe, Print, Forward, and Reply > functions. (For Reply, the Full Header mode will respect the > "include-headers-in-reply" feature setting.) > > /Simon > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:38:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7McST26255 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:38:25 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7McOQL007650; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:38:25 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7Mbh208446; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:37:43 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7M92n48104 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:09:02 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:09:01 2001 -0800 Received: from aslan.narnia.pp.se (aslan.narnia.pp.se [212.247.3.100]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7M90cZ008009 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:09:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (dufberg@localhost) by aslan.narnia.pp.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB7M8vk42710; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:08:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dufberg@narnia.pp.se) Message-Id: <20011207230826.U41782-100000@aslan.narnia.pp.se> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:08:56 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mats Dufberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ALL the headers, sometimes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: daniel lance herrick X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-message-flag: "Tired of your mail client? Get pine! http://www.washington.edu/pine/" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Dec 7, 2001, 16:48 (-0500) daniel lance herrick Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the > headers of this message I'm looking at? Press "h". Maybe you have to turn the feature on. Mats ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mats Dufberg dufberg@narnia.pp.se Bl=E5arvsgr=E4nd 42 +46-8-38 48 59 SE-162 45 V=E4llingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:40:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7MeXT23400 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:40:26 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7MeQQL007724; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:40:26 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7Mdw233628; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:39:58 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7MG7n23010 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:16:08 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:16:07 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7MG6vI019965 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:16:07 -0800 Received: from wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (wgs.apps1.bellhow.com [192.168.70.70]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10031; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA28396; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:16:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:16:05 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ALL the headers, sometimes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Kenneth Crudup X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: wgs.apps1.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@wgs.apps1.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN And, again, I might not. I did make two serious attempts, on different days, to find this feature, and failed. I did find a bunch of other useful features that I have configured while I was looking for that one. pine is not only "not elm", it is, indeed, an upgrade from elm. Unfortunately, my fingers are still trained to elm dialogs and I sent my thank-yous for several responses back to the list. dan On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance Herrick wrote: > > > Is tHere a way to ask pine to sHow me all tHe > > Headers of tHis message I'm looking at? > > Had you botHered to Have a Hint to Harken to tHe Help, you migHt Have > seen a Heading for tHe "H" key. :-) > > -Kenny > > -- > KennetH R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, WasHington, D.C. > Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com > Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 > Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:42:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7MghT30455 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:42:41 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7MgfQL007771; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:42:41 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7Mg8b17608; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:42:08 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB7MMrn150628 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:22:53 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 14:22:52 2001 -0800 Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB7MMqpo022415 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:22:52 -0800 Received: from dialup-63.209.87.208.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C028F3C for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:22:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:22:08 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ALL the headers, sometimes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@chicago.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote: [ I offered a smart-ass reply to his original question ] > And, again, I might not. Doh! ... that's 'cause, as another poster pointed out, "h" has to be enabled in the M S C. First thing I did when I got pine going was to do the "?" thing on *every* option in M S C, and came across this. Since I need full headers at times (SPAM reporting, etc.), I'd turned this on a long time ago. -Kenny, who dearly hates falling all over his own cute answers -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:14:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB82EdT08939 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 18:14:38 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB82EbQL013408; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:14:37 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB82Dx510048; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:13:59 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB82BZn63362 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:11:35 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 18:11:34 2001 -0800 Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB82BXpo006324 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:11:34 -0800 Received: from 99.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.145.99]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011208021133.GGTX15547.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@99.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net>; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 02:11:33 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:14:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Satya X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: jamesqf@postoffice.att.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote: > > People say Pine lacks HTML support. > And I for one hope that it continues not to! One of the projects on my list of things to do when and if I ever get some spare time is some sort of a filter that will automatically recognize HTML email and bounce it back to the sender with a nasty message attached. James From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:26:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB82QMT02442 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 18:26:17 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB82QHQL013623; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:26:17 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB82Pf422212; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:25:41 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB82Njn31572 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:23:45 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 18:23:44 2001 -0800 Received: from donkeykong.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (donkeykong.gpcc.itd.umich.edu [141.211.2.163]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB82NhvI007159 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:23:43 -0800 Received: from gpcc.itd.umich.edu (smtp@metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu [141.213.230.75]) by donkeykong.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (8.8.8/4.3-mailhub) with ESMTP id VAA16701 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (adbisaro@localhost) by gpcc.itd.umich.edu (8.9.1a/4.9.1-cyrus) with ESMTP id VAA02295 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:23:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:23:42 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Adam Bisaro Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Adam Bisaro To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu: adbisaro owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-NoSpam: Don't even think it. X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote: >On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote: > >> People say Pine lacks HTML support. > >Really? When I used to use "mailx" (which I had for about 15 years), the >encroaching use of the dreaded HTML (no doubt brought on by people using >Microsoft VirusSpreader- er LookOut!) meant I tossed your message. Now, >Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!) > >Like Satya said, "Kudos to the Pine Dev team!" A dissenting opinion: HTML mail is evil. Mail clients have no business parsing HTML, period. Adding this misfeature was a terrible move on the part of the Pine dev team. Boo! Hiss! -- PEACE, adb. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:33:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB82X9T13648 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 18:33:04 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB82X3G3006067; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:33:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB82Wa416536; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:32:37 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB82Ugn140624 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:30:42 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 18:30:42 2001 -0800 Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB82Udpo008835 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:30:42 -0800 Received: from dialup-63.209.87.208.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90748F06 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:30:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:29:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@chicago.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote: >HTML mail is evil. Amen. >Mail clients have no business parsing HTML, period. Amen. >Adding this misfeature was a terrible move on the part of the Pine dev >team. Boo! Hiss! Bullsh*t. Until you can guarantee that the stupid hash of unnecessary tags and stupid colors etc. that some makes some misguided fools think HTML adds value to E-mail stops coming to my box, I'm *glad* Pine has the ability to display that crap in some sort of usable form (and even allows me to reply to it sanely). Now, if they were ever to add HTML *composition* features, I'd drive up to the UofW and have their heads mounted on pikes my damn self. -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:57:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB85voT04450 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 21:57:46 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB85vkQL017112; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:57:46 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB85vA539120; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:57:10 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB85t9n140550 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:55:10 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 21:55:09 2001 -0800 Received: from berzerk.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (berzerk.gpcc.itd.umich.edu [141.211.2.162]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB85t8vI029097 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:55:09 -0800 Received: from gpcc.itd.umich.edu (smtp@metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu [141.213.230.75]) by berzerk.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (8.8.8/4.3-mailhub) with ESMTP id AAA01355 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (adbisaro@localhost) by gpcc.itd.umich.edu (8.9.1a/4.9.1-cyrus) with ESMTP id AAA04510 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:55:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:55:07 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Pine Discussion Forum Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Adam Bisaro To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu: adbisaro owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-NoSpam: Don't even think it. X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote: >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote: > >>Adding this misfeature was a terrible move on the part of the Pine dev >>team. Boo! Hiss! > >Bullsh*t. Until you can guarantee that the stupid hash of unnecessary >tags and stupid colors etc. that some makes some misguided fools think >HTML adds value to E-mail stops coming to my box, I'm *glad* Pine has >the ability to display that crap in some sort of usable form (and even >allows me to reply to it sanely). I'm *not* glad about that ability, but in fairness, I'm not in a position where I'm forced to deal with HTML mail. I flush 99.5% of the HTML formatted messages I receive (spam). On the rare occasion someone sends me a legimate HTML message, I take corrective action to insure that the individual in question does not repeat his/her mistake. If ever I did feel the need to read junk mail, I'd pipe it through a script to filter the tags, and read the text. Some of us really don't need or want this sort of feature -- no bullsh*t. -- PEACE, adb. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:24:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB87OCT21640 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 23:24:07 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB87O6G3010809; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:24:06 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB87NX540358; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:23:33 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB87LTn76660 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:21:29 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 07 23:21:28 2001 -0800 Received: from gort.cjb.net (dsl-65-184-132-241.telocity.com [65.184.132.241]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB87LRpo004446 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:21:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gort.cjb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E7EA6F2 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:21:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:21:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Satya To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: satyap@localhost X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Dec 7, 2001 at 21:23, Adam Bisaro wrote: > HTML mail is evil. Mail clients have no business parsing > HTML, period. Adding this misfeature was a terrible move > on the part of the Pine dev team. Boo! Hiss! YMV. At least pine parses it in a sane way -- only the most basic tags, no execution, no loading of other resources (in the "URL" sense). -- Satya. The server threw an exception. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:32:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB8IWIT31799 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:32:19 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Dec 08 10:32:14 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB8IWDQL029282; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:32:13 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB8IVi416412; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:31:44 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB8IT5n55232 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:29:05 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Dec 08 10:29:05 2001 -0800 Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB8IT4NR014338 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:29:04 -0800 Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.3]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8039B48748 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:28:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:28:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote: > I'm *not* glad about that ability, but in fairness, I'm not in a > position where I'm forced to deal with HTML mail. I flush 99.5% of > the HTML formatted messages I receive (spam). On the rare occasion > someone sends me a legimate HTML message, I take corrective action to > insure that the individual in question does not repeat his/her mistake. I get a lot of mail from non-persons that's not SPAM, but is HTML-corrupt. -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:08:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB8L8pT32002 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Dec 08 13:08:47 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB8L8lQL031719; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:08:47 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB8L84420000; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:08:04 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB8L5xn118228 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:05:59 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Dec 08 13:05:58 2001 -0800 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB8L5wNR029834 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:05:58 -0800 Received: from 64.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.145.64]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011208210557.RLDY5540.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@64.reno-03-04rs16rt.nv.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:05:57 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:09:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: jamesqf@postoffice.att.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote: > I'm *not* glad about that ability, but in fairness, I'm not in a > position where I'm forced to deal with HTML mail. I flush 99.5% of > the HTML formatted messages I receive (spam). On the rare occasion > someone sends me a legimate HTML message, I take corrective action to > insure that the individual in question does not repeat his/her > mistake. If ever I did feel the need to read junk mail, I'd pipe it > through a script to filter the tags, and read the text. > > Some of us really don't need or want this sort of feature -- no > bullsh*t. That's my experience, too. Almost all of the HTML email I get is spam. The only others I can remember are occasional newbies on (non-computer related) mailing lists, and a polite note telling them how NOT to send HTML usually takes care of the problem. I have found a use for the occasional dose of spam, though. Whenever I start feeling humble, I have only to read one or two, reflect on the fact that there must be people out there who fall for such scams, and my belief in my own intellectual superiority is instantly restored :-) James From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:03:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB9M34T30864 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Dec 09 14:03:02 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB9M32G3015167; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:03:02 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB9M2N232328; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:02:23 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB9LuVn114030 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:56:31 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Dec 09 13:56:30 2001 -0800 Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fB9LuUNR012982 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:56:30 -0800 Received: (qmail 11360 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 21:56:27 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 21:56:27 -0000 Received: from primenet.primenet.com (02-095.076.popsite.net [64.24.213.95]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id fB9LuPT31111 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:56:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011209150309.007e91e0@pop.sonic.net> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:03:09 -0700 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Holtzman To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: mail doesn't show up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-envelope-info: X-Sender: holtzm@pop.sonic.net (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I've seen this addressed before, but can't find it with a Google group or list archive search. Fetchmail shows messages being downloaded but my various mailboxes are empty. Their permissions on installation were 731, but changing them to 777 didn't help. I'm running RH7.2 with it's included progs: pine-4.33-15 procmail-3.21-1 fetchmail-5.9.0-1 A related problem. I don't know how to tell If procmail is being invoked. There is an entry for it in sendmail.cf but it's way over my head. If it is being invoked it shouldn't be part of the problem (says he, wishfully), as it is set up exactly the same as it was for my old RH6.0 where it ran flawlessly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA Bob Holtzman "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer!" -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:28:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB9NS3T22767 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Dec 09 15:27:53 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB9NRqG3016614; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:27:52 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB9NRH545558; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:27:17 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fB9NMNn172908 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:22:23 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Dec 09 15:22:23 2001 -0800 Received: from aslan.narnia.pp.se (aslan.narnia.pp.se [212.247.3.100]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fB9NMLpo018201 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:22:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (dufberg@localhost) by aslan.narnia.pp.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB9NMHq48830; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:22:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dufberg@narnia.pp.se) Message-Id: <20011210001824.O41782-100000@aslan.narnia.pp.se> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:22:16 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mats Dufberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: mail doesn't show up In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011209150309.007e91e0@pop.sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: Bob Holtzman X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-message-flag: "Tired of your mail client? Get pine! http://www.washington.edu/pine/" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Dec 9, 2001, 15:03 (-0700) Bob Holtzman wrote: > Fetchmail shows messages being downloaded but my various mailboxes are > empty. Their permissions on installation were 731, but changing them to 7= 77 > didn't help. Fetchmail delivers to sendmail, which uses /bin/mail, procmail or other program according to "Mlocal" in sendmail.cf. You will have to investigate further. Try to send a mail to yourself directly through sendmail with "-v" on. Mats ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mats Dufberg dufberg@narnia.pp.se Bl=E5arvsgr=E4nd 42 +46-8-38 48 59 SE-162 45 V=E4llingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:14:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBA5EOT03955 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Dec 09 21:14:16 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBA5EGG3022181; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:14:16 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBA5DX420158; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:13:36 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBA59wn169912 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:09:58 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Dec 09 21:09:58 2001 -0800 Received: from borg.atecone.net (cm-24-161-43-0.nycap.rr.com [24.161.43.0]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBA59vcZ003910 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:09:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (IDENT:gX4wkheS/D0VkuzaHe8udcJEkHg93qcS@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by borg.atecone.net (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBA5A5104330; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:10:05 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:10:05 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Fisk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: mail doesn't show up In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011209150309.007e91e0@pop.sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Bob Holtzman X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-message-flag: Get yourself a real mail client! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >I've seen this addressed before, but can't find it with a Google group or >list archive search. > >Fetchmail shows messages being downloaded but my various mailboxes are >empty. Their permissions on installation were 731, but changing them to 777 >didn't help. > >I'm running RH7.2 with it's included progs: >pine-4.33-15 >procmail-3.21-1 >fetchmail-5.9.0-1 > >A related problem. I don't know how to tell If procmail is being invoked. >There is an entry for it in sendmail.cf but it's way over my head. If it is >being invoked it shouldn't be part of the problem (says he, wishfully), as >it is set up exactly the same as it was for my old RH6.0 where it ran >flawlessly. First thing to check is to verify that procmail is actually working. make sure in your .procmailrc file you have an entry for logfile. I.E: LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail-log If you send yourself a message and nothing shows up in the logfile then you have issues beyond procmail. If it is showing as delivered, you will want to verify a few other procmail settings. SHELL=/bin/sh MAILDIR=$HOME/mail # You'd better make sure it exists # Most commonly you will find that # procmail is writing to $home/Mail # or another directory that doesn't # really exist. PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:. LOCKFILE=$HOME/.lockmail DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/.mbox # If you change/define $DEFAULT you # *MUST* make sure pine knows. =) Good bug finding. Chris From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:21:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAFLNT13921 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 10 07:21:19 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBAFLIG3032486; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:21:19 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAFKj228960; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:20:45 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAFHDn102678 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:17:13 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 10 07:17:08 2001 -0800 Received: from SRDMAIL.SINP.MSU.RU (bigking.sinp.msu.ru [213.131.9.130]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBAFH5vI013988 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:17:06 -0800 Received: from dima (helo=localhost) by SRDMAIL.SINP.MSU.RU with local-esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 16DSBE-000Gjp-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:17:20 +0300 Message-Id: <20011210181558.H64294-100000@BigKing.sinp.msu.ru> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:17:20 +0300 (MSK) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Dmitry Mottl To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: transfering remote configuration to local one MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi! How can I transfer remote pine configuration ({server}remote_pinerc) to local machine (.pinerc)? I saw -copy_pinerc option that transfers local configuration to remote one. But I need a reverse of this. Thank You! -- Dmitry Mottl -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:35:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAHZ9T04961 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 10 09:35:07 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBAHZ6QL010782; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:35:07 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAHYC535868; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:34:12 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAHRtn165042 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:27:55 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 10 09:27:53 2001 -0800 Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBAHRrcZ023017 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:27:53 -0800 Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fBAHRS8v032283; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:27:28 -0800 Received: from [128.95.135.163] (D-128-95-135-163.dhcp.washington.edu [128.95.135.163]) by smtp.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBAHRRxS019067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:27:27 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:27:27 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: transfering remote configuration to local one In-Reply-To: <20011210181558.H64294-100000@BigKing.sinp.msu.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Dmitry Mottl X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: hubert@shivams.cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN In recent pine distributions there is a program called "rpdump" to do what you want. rpdump -l Local_file -r Remote_folder -- Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:32:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAJWbT26704 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 10 11:32:32 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBAJWWG3007256; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:32:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAJVtb10068; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:31:55 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAJSAn98340 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:28:10 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 10 11:28:10 2001 -0800 Received: from SRDMAIL.SINP.MSU.RU (bigking.sinp.msu.ru [213.131.9.130]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBAJS8NR017287 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:28:09 -0800 Received: from dima (helo=localhost) by SRDMAIL.SINP.MSU.RU with local-esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 16DW6B-000IZU-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:28:23 +0300 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:28:23 +0300 (MSK) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Dmitry Mottl To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: cyrillic translations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi Can pine do cyrillic (windows-1251 <=> koi8-r) translations? Is this feature about to be added? Thank You -- Dmitry Mottl -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:02:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAK2bT03588 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 10 12:02:35 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBAK2YQL015653; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:02:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAK1s545510; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:01:55 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBAJvmn45376 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:57:48 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 10 11:57:47 2001 -0800 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBAJvlNR026051 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:57:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 9443 invoked by uid 1828); 10 Dec 2001 19:57:46 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:57:46 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote: >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote: >>> People say Pine lacks HTML support. >>Really? When I used to use "mailx" (which I had for about 15 years), the >>encroaching use of the dreaded HTML (no doubt brought on by people using >>Microsoft VirusSpreader- er LookOut!) meant I tossed your message. Now, >>Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!) >>Like Satya said, "Kudos to the Pine Dev team!" > >A dissenting opinion: > > HTML mail is evil. Mail clients have no business parsing > HTML, period. Adding this misfeature was a terrible move > on the part of the Pine dev team. Boo! Hiss! I think HTML mail is evil too, but once in a while I get non-spam mail with only an html part. I'm glad that I can view it, even if I will often ask the person to turn off html email. But I think I'm missing something. Is pine really viewing html email? I have a .mailcap file, and it has: text/html; links %s;needsterminal in it. Isn't that line telling pine to use links as the viewer for text/html parts? or is that only when I specifically go to the view attachments page and select a text/html part? What I still don't get is why I sometimes get mail with a bunch of parts, and I *see* it in the normal pine view, but when I try to reply, the text isn't there to reply to and it's all listed as attachments. Lastly, the only other act-sensibly-with-rich-text-mail improvement that I'd like to see is for pine to be able to transmogrify "rich text quoted mail" [I think it uses blocks, which can be nested] into normal ">" style quoted text that I can edit in vim when I reply.] This is the ONE case where I often use a GUI mail program, when I get mail like that. pine doesn't do anything with format=flowed, does it? From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:22:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBB9MYT11838 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 01:22:32 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBB9MWQL002638; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:22:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBB9LY420200; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:21:34 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBB9HUn153818 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:17:30 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 01:17:30 2001 -0800 Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBB9HTpo007948 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:17:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 24062 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 09:17:26 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 09:17:26 -0000 Received: from primenet.primenet.com (01-119.076.popsite.net [64.24.212.119]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id fBB9HOL09298; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:17:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011211022527.01d55e60@pop.sonic.net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:25:27 -0700 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Holtzman To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: mail doesn't show up In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20011209150309.007e91e0@pop.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-To: Christopher Fisk X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-envelope-info: X-Sender: holtzm@pop.sonic.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN At 12:10 AM 12/10/01 -0500, you wrote: > >First thing to check is to verify that procmail is actually working. > >make sure in your .procmailrc file you have an entry for logfile. > >I.E: LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail-log This has been present since day 1. > >If you send yourself a message and nothing shows up in the logfile then >you have issues beyond procmail. This seems to be the case as the log is empty, however /var/log/maillog shows entries such as: Dec 11 00:10:47 localhost sendmail[1162]: NOQUEUE: localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA and running fetchmail -v shows entries such as: fetchmail: POP3> RETR 2 fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5415 octets reading message 2 of 18 (5415 octets) fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM: fetchmail: SMTP< 550 5.0.0 Access denied fetchmail: SMTP> RSET fetchmail: SMTP< 250 2.0.0 Reset state not flushed Could this indicate a sendmail problem? Thanks for the reply. Any further ideas would be appreciated. Bob Holtzman "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer!" From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:04:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBB4KT12013 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 02:52:08 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBAq8G3029385; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:52:08 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBApc414460; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:51:39 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBAn2n167356 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:49:02 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 02:48:58 2001 -0800 Received: from penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.110]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBAmvpo023851 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:48:57 -0800 Received: from mbb5.ericsson.se (mbb5.ericsson.se [136.225.151.210]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.11.0/8.11.0/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id fBBAmuK20094 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:48:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from E00C04FFB5466 ([159.107.52.208]) by mbb1.ericsson.se (PMDF V5.2-29 #39352) with ESMTP id <0GO6000CGE1JAM@mbb1.ericsson.se> for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:48:55 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:48:53 +0100 (Romance Standard Time) Reply-To: bertrand.perez@ree.ericsson.se Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Bertrand PEREZ (REE)" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Problem with US addresses MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine INFO LIST X-X-Sender: reebepe@eestqnt104.es.eu.ericsson.se X-message-flag: "Outlook: A program to spread viri, but it can do mail too!" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi there, I have a strange thing with PCPine 4.43 (I already had the problem with previous releases but I did not pay that much attention): when I try to send emails to some of my colleagues in the US from PCpine, I receive a notification error. If I use LookOut to write to the same addresses, it works fine :-((((( I do not have any kind of problem with other addresses (with Pine I mean) I tried to find out what could be the reason and I did not find any thing except that the addresses of my colleagues in the US are finishing like "@am1.ericsson.se" My question is : isn't a bug/problem with pine when the destination email address is not only made of letters (in this case it seems to be the good explanation as I do not have the problem for any other addresses ) thanks for your answer BR/Bertrand -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:30:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBBU0T26698 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 03:29:51 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBBTpG3030026; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:29:51 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBBTGb09696; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:29:16 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBBQKn126424 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:26:20 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 03:26:17 2001 -0800 Received: from dexter.graphisoft.hu ([212.105.227.6]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBBQFvI000796 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:26:16 -0800 Received: by DEXTER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:26:17 +0100 Received: from BARDOS-ATTILA.graphisoft.hu (rajnai2k [172.16.21.46]) by dexter.graphisoft.hu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YLNRZ8A0; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:26:14 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:26:08 +0100 (Central Europe Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=22B=E1rdos=2C_Attila=22?= To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Error message: "Message to save shrank" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: bardos@dexter.graphisoft.hu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear All, Could you please help to find the reason and the fix (or workaround) for the following problem? When I try to save a message from my INBOX to a local mail folder, for some of the messages I get the following error message: "Message to save shrank! (#10: 6100 --> 6070)" (of course the message index and the size info may differ) and Pine refuses to save the message. Some background information: I use PC-Pine 4.40. The mail server is a Microsoft Exchange server. I had this error sometimes formerly, but now I get it for most of the messages in the INBOX. I don't know if the mail server has been changed or updated recently, but it might cause problems. It is still persist. It is always reproducible. I had no idea about the exact meaning of the error message so I didn't try to solve the problem. The problem is quite annoying since I can't backup my messages. Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards, Attila Bardos -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:18:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBDIsT00964 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 05:18:50 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBDInG3031957; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:18:49 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBDI2414122; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:18:03 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBDFtn28380 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:15:55 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 05:15:55 2001 -0800 Received: from borg.atecone.net (cm-24-161-43-0.nycap.rr.com [24.161.43.0]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBDFscZ000452 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:15:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (IDENT:ZqlucER42umUjdr3SyFSjVFKjBks4uIL@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by borg.atecone.net (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBBDG3s05972; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:16:03 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:16:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Fisk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: mail doesn't show up In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011211022527.01d55e60@pop.sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Bob Holtzman X-Cc: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Yep, this looks like a sendmail problem. In your /etc/mail/access file make sure you have the following lines: localhost.localdomain RELAY localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY Then recreate your access.db: makemap hash /etc/mail/access < /etc/mail/access and try fetchmail again. As you can see from the log below you are getting a 550 RELAYING DENIED, meaning your accesslist for sendmail is too restrictive. If that doesn't work you might want to try to upgrade your fetchmail. Good luck, Chris On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Bob Holtzman wrote: >fetchmail: POP3> RETR 2 >fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5415 octets >reading message 2 of 18 (5415 octets) >fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM: >fetchmail: SMTP< 550 5.0.0 Access denied >fetchmail: SMTP> RSET >fetchmail: SMTP< 250 2.0.0 Reset state > not flushed From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:37:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBDbMT00333 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 05:37:17 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBDbHQL006975; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:37:17 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBDai423744; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:36:44 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBDYHn126740 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:34:17 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 05:34:16 2001 -0800 Received: from borg.atecone.net (cm-24-161-43-0.nycap.rr.com [24.161.43.0]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBDYFpo024159 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:34:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (IDENT:LFDoItos/VTsArUbvzzdImR5ljP0/NpZ@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by borg.atecone.net (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBBDYPs06185 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:34:25 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:34:25 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Christopher Fisk To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: mail doesn't show up In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >and try fetchmail again. As you can see from the log below you are >getting a 550 RELAYING DENIED, meaning your accesslist for sendmail is too >restrictive. Actually, I'm not completely sure this is a RELAYING DENIED issue, but it's the first step to check. Chris From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:12:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGCdT18174 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 08:12:37 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBGCbG3002823; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:12:37 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGC3219950; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:12:04 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBG9Pn92218 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:09:25 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 08:09:24 2001 -0800 Received: from gossamer.ckm.ucsf.edu (gossamer.ckm.ucsf.edu [128.218.33.11]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBG9NNR023238 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:09:24 -0800 Received: from tweety.ckm.ucsf.edu (tweety [128.218.33.64]) by gossamer.ckm.ucsf.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBBGDKu04540; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jak@localhost) by tweety.ckm.ucsf.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03708; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:08:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:08:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "John A. Kunze" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: easy way in Pine to jump to last message? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-Authentication-Warning: tweety.ckm.ucsf.edu: jak owned process doing -bs X-Filter-Version: 1.7 (gossamer) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox? Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by default. Rationale: My inbox is often cluttered with messages marked as new because they look low priority and I haven't gotten to them. But each morning I'm most interested in new messages that are recent (near the end). I'm looking for a quick way to get there without squinting at the number of messages and transcribing it into a jump command. -John -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:38:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGciT28076 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 08:38:42 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBGcfG3003621; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:38:41 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGcAb19064; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:38:10 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGR9n111986 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:27:45 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 08:27:07 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBGR4NR027502 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:27:06 -0800 Received: from cactus.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [10.17.0.27]) by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24296 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:26:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (piotr@localhost) by cactus.sonytel.be (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fBBGQxY19570 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:26:59 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:26:58 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Murphy To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: easy way in Pine to jump to last message? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: cactus.sonytel.be: piotr owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: piotr@cactus.sonytel.be X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John A. Kunze wrote: >Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox? (cut) Only what I can recomend is to change the sorting method. Regards, Murphy -- __ __ || || -++- -++- -------------------------------------------------------- ||\ /|| e-mail: murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl GG 107745 || || Everything is possible - this is only a question of time \/564\/ -------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:55:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGtRT21983 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 08:55:26 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBGtPG3004211; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:55:25 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGsrb30548; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:54:53 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGWjn55192 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:33:49 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 08:32:44 2001 -0800 Received: from smtp.gospelcom.net (joppa.gospelcom.net [204.253.132.6]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBBGWipo019702 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:32:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 22750 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 16:32:43 -0000 Received: from jabbok.gospelcom.net (HELO amos.gf.gospelcom.net) (204.253.132.4) by joppa.gospelcom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 16:32:43 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:32:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joel Boonstra To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: easy way in Pine to jump to last message? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "John A. Kunze" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: joel@amos.gf.gospelcom.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox? > > Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by default. > > Rationale: My inbox is often cluttered with messages marked as new > because they look low priority and I haven't gotten to them. But each > morning I'm most interested in new messages that are recent (near the > end). I'm looking for a quick way to get there without squinting at > the number of messages and transcribing it into a jump command. I always just mash the spacebar till I get to the end of my INBOX. Not very graceful, but it works. -- [ joel boonstra | jboonstra@gospelcom.net ] From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:59:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGx2T12437 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 08:58:59 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBGwxG3004328; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:58:59 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGwJ208198; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:58:19 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBGu6n92354 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:56:06 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 08:56:05 2001 -0800 Received: from bsd.intramay.com (bsd.intramay.com [62.168.4.66]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBBGu4po025442 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:56:05 -0800 Received: (qmail 11193 invoked by uid 1007); 11 Dec 2001 16:50:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 16:50:05 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:50:05 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jakub Chromy To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: easy way in Pine to jump to last message? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Only what I can recomend is to change the sorting method. Just press + . best regards Jakub Chromy Hosting CZ Limited hicks@hosting.cz www.hosting.cz From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:03:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBH3ZT15510 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 09:03:33 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBH3WG3004483; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:03:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBH2fb19362; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:02:42 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBH0hn69422 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:00:43 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 09:00:42 2001 -0800 Received: from jsalmi.com (jsalmi64.dsl.frii.net [216.17.180.64]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBH0gvI028003 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:00:42 -0800 Received: from jsalmi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jsalmi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fBBH2INF009031; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:02:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bill@localhost) by jsalmi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) with ESMTP id fBBH2Iin009028; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:02:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:02:18 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: Bill Hunter Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: bill hunter To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: easy way in Pine to jump to last message? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "John A. Kunze" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John A. Kunze wrote: > Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox? > > Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by > default. > > Rationale: My inbox is often cluttered with messages marked as new > because they look low priority and I haven't gotten to them. But each > morning I'm most interested in new messages that are recent (near the > end). I'm looking for a quick way to get there without squinting at > the number of messages and transcribing it into a jump command. Your header probably says something like: PINE 4.31 MESSAGE INDEX Folder: INBOX Message XX of YY Where YY is the number of messages in your inbox? Hit J followed by that number or hit control+w / control+v, just like in pico to reach the end of file... -bill From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:08:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBH8hT28702 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 09:08:40 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBH8dQL011706; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:08:39 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBH7i536784; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:07:44 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBH5hn22932 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:05:44 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 09:05:43 2001 -0800 Received: from macbeth.tirone.com (tirone-214.flexabit.net [64.198.226.214]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBBH5gpo028148 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:05:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 12123 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 17:05:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 17:05:41 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:05:41 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: easy way in Pine to jump to last message? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John A. Kunze wrote: >Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox? >Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by default. In config (Main -> Setup -> Config), there is an option "incoming-startup-rule" which determine where your cursor are when you open an incoming mailbox. It have option for "last" message and "first-recent" message, which probably what you want. Other than that, manually you can type +. -- S P Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ arifsaha@yahoo.com _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:42:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBHg4T26801 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 09:42:00 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBHg0QL012796; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:42:00 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBHfV416676; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:41:31 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBHdSn125454 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:39:28 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 09:39:28 2001 -0800 Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.0.167]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBHdQNR014938 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:39:27 -0800 Received: from 216-224-162-34.thegrid.net (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3113E98186 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:38:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:37:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: easy way in Pine to jump to last message? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@chicago.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John A. Kunze wrote: > Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox? I use "W Ctrl-V". -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:17:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBKHFT19635 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 12:17:14 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBKHDQL018404; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:17:14 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBKGf419758; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:16:41 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBBKDon63464 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:13:50 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 11 12:13:49 2001 -0800 Received: from gossamer.ckm.ucsf.edu (gossamer.ckm.ucsf.edu [128.218.33.11]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBBKDnNR030468 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:13:49 -0800 Received: from tweety.ckm.ucsf.edu (tweety [128.218.33.64]) by gossamer.ckm.ucsf.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBBKHku09295; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jak@localhost) by tweety.ckm.ucsf.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03832; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "John A. Kunze" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: easy way in Pine to jump to last message? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: tweety.ckm.ucsf.edu: jak owned process doing -bs X-Filter-Version: 1.7 (gossamer) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Thanks to everyone who replied. This reply gets to exactly what I needed. It would be nice if J were the same as for the inbox list. -John --- On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: >Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox? >Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by default. In config (Main -> Setup -> Config), there is an option "incoming-startup-rule" which determine where your cursor are when you open an incoming mailbox. It have option for "last" message and "first-recent" message, which probably what you want. Other than that, manually you can type +. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:38:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBC8cCT14375 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 12 00:38:07 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBC8c7QL003671; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:38:07 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBC8bT233522; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:37:29 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBC8Ydn75840 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:34:40 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 12 00:34:39 2001 -0800 Received: from kepler.cnam.fr (kepler.cnam.fr [163.173.128.14]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBC8YYcZ019767 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:34:38 -0800 Received: (qmail 27581 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 08:34:26 -0000 Received: from oceanonix.cnam.fr (163.173.136.17) by 0 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 08:34:26 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:42:22 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Erwan Becquet To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Two or more news server with separate group lists ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Info Mailing-List X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi everybody, I use Pine 4.40 and I have the following problem : I use two news servers with some groups one one server and other groups on the other. Problem is Pine display the whole list of servers (from the two servers) on the two collections. And when I want delete (eg unsubscribe) one group on one server it is removed from the two collections ??? Am i missing sthg ? Help welcome. Thanks in advance. -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ Erwan Becquet `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) Doctorant au C.N.A.M. (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `.``-..-' Systemes Informatiques (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' becquet@cnam.fr -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:14:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBDEEguD024605 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 06:14:41 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBDEEe11010866; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:14:41 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBDEDs405718; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:13:54 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBDEASn89194 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:10:28 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 06:10:27 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBDEAQVK020168 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:10:27 -0800 Received: from wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (wgs.apps1.bellhow.com [192.168.70.70]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00751 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA13029 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:10:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:10:19 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: How do I control Content-Type of Mime attachment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: wgs.apps1.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@wgs.apps1.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Following help from the main menu doesn't seem to yield anything on the subject and hitting Get Help with the cursor in the Attchmnt: field fetches some useful, but somewhat less technical advice. I attached a couple .jpg files and pine labeled them Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream and then metamail did not know enough to feed them to xv. Does this mean my pine is using the wrong mailcap file, or can I feed it a better mailcap file? Or can I supply the Content-Type in the Attchmnt: field when I'm composing a message? (The pine man page has language that suggests I can't get there from here.) dan dlh@dlh.com http://www.NationalReform.org/ - Explicitly Christian Politics Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh, but in vain. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:54:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBDEsJuD021601 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 06:54:08 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBDEs711011580; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:54:07 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBDErW234204; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:53:32 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBDEpPn98210 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:51:25 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 06:51:24 2001 -0800 Received: from SRDMAIL.SINP.MSU.RU (bigking.sinp.msu.ru [213.131.9.130]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBDEpNTA015694 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:51:24 -0800 Received: from dima (helo=localhost) by SRDMAIL.SINP.MSU.RU with local-esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 16EXCb-0006jB-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:51:13 +0300 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:51:13 +0300 (MSK) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Dmitry Mottl To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: prompting for a password MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi! Pine asks me for the same password many times, i.e, when I reading 'remote_pinerc' with '-p' switch or opening remote address book So, I there a chance to input password only once at startup? Thank You! -- best regards, Dmitry Mottl -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:44:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBDGiGuD018684 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 08:44:14 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBDGiE11014434; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:44:14 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBDGhc223206; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:43:38 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBDGesn75288 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:40:55 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 08:40:52 2001 -0800 Received: from jsalmi.com (jsalmi64.dsl.frii.net [216.17.180.64]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBDGep3F024938 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:40:51 -0800 Received: from jsalmi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jsalmi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fBDGgPZV009536; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:42:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bill@localhost) by jsalmi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) with ESMTP id fBDGgPap009533; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:42:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:42:25 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: Bill Hunter Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: bill hunter To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: How do I control Content-Type of Mime attachment In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: daniel lance herrick X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote: > Following help from the main menu doesn't seem to yield anything on > the subject and hitting Get Help with the cursor in the Attchmnt: > field fetches some useful, but somewhat less technical advice. > > I attached a couple .jpg files and pine labeled them > > Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream > > and then metamail did not know enough to feed them to xv. > > Does this mean my pine is using the wrong mailcap file, or can I feed > it a better mailcap file? Or can I supply the Content-Type in the > Attchmnt: field when I'm composing a message? > > (The pine man page has language that suggests I can't get there from > here.) Dan, I have had some bizarre image files that Solaris would identify as jpeg or gif (when I type file imagename.jpg|gif), but that showed up as the Octet-stream thing when attached in Pine, and usually xv cannot display them; I have to use a web browser. No idea what causes this... Try a few other jpg's and see if this is the problem, or at least make sure xv can slurp them first as a test. I have not had to tweak .mailcap or .mime-types for this for a long time (early 3.x releases I think). All I do is in Setup/Config specify: image-viewer=/bin/xv When I attach a jpg file, send it to myself, and view the details of the attachment, it looks like this: Details about Attachment #2 : Type : Image Subtype : JPEG Encoding : BASE64 Parameters : NAME = zoso.jpg Description : "zoso" Disposition : ATTACHMENT; FILENAME = zoso.jpg Approx. Size : 1,174 bytes Display Method : "/bin/xv " Hope this is of some help... -bill (who is loving the new filter capability in 4.x!) From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:19:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBDLJRuD021302 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 13:19:25 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBDLJOpr017489; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:19:24 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBDL8I208148; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:08:19 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBDL5mn103068 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:05:48 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 13:05:48 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBDL5lTA024812 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:05:47 -0800 Received: from wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (wgs.apps1.bellhow.com [192.168.70.70]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06212; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA16945; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:05:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:05:40 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: How do I control Content-Type of Mime attachment In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-684387517-1008277540=:16715" X-To: daniel lance herrick X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: wgs.apps1.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@wgs.apps1.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-684387517-1008277540=:16715 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After sending the question, I read the rest of the man page and noticed the reference to /etc/mime.types in the list of files. There isn't any on these systems. A web search produced mime types contents from some university's old help desk pages and I copied them into ~/.mime.types The attachment is the smallest jpeg file I could find quickly (out of an old amaya distribution) and should be listed as Content-Type: image/jpeg demonstrating that, again, pine does THE RIGHT THING, this time using the standard configuration instead of a magic builtin configuration. Kudos to the pine team and thanks to the gentleman who offered assistance. dan On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote: > Following help from the main menu doesn't seem to > yield anything on the subject and hitting Get Help > with the cursor in the Attchmnt: field fetches > some useful, but somewhat less technical advice. > > I attached a couple .jpg files and pine labeled > them > > Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream > > and then metamail did not know enough to feed them > to xv. > > Does this mean my pine is using the wrong mailcap > file, or can I feed it a better mailcap file? Or > can I supply the Content-Type in the > Attchmnt: field when I'm composing a message? > > (The pine man page has language that suggests I > can't get there from here.) > > dan dlh@dlh.com > http://www.NationalReform.org/ - Explicitly Christian Politics > Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh, but in vain. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---559023410-684387517-1008277540=:16715 Content-Type: IMAGE/jpeg; name="logoback.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: logoback.jpg Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="logoback.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAgEASABIAAD/7QFSUGhvdG9zaG9wIDMuMAA4QklNA+0A AAAAABAASAAAAAEAAgBIAAAAAQACOEJJTQPzAAAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAAA4QklN JxAAAAAAAAoAAQAAAAAAAAACOEJJTQP1AAAAAABIAC9mZgABAGxmZgAGAAAA 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mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 21:37:05 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBE5b411003567; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:37:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBE5aQ209648; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:36:26 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBE5YHn41778 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:34:17 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 13 21:34:16 2001 -0800 Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBE5YGTA007521 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:34:16 -0800 Received: from shell.worldonline.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D9036FC0; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:34:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.worldonline.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA04576; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:34:09 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:34:09 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: is it a bug? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum , , X-Authentication-Warning: shell.worldonline.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Pine 4.33: just noticed that if you enter Q while viewing the latter part of a msg and decide not to quit, upon entering N the msg flips back to the beginning. Can be rather annoying if the msg is a long one. If I remember correctly this didn't happen in 3.96, you came back to the spot you were viewing. Bruce Cohen -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:56:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBEHujV6027303 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 09:56:40 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEHudpr011224; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:56:40 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEHu2416206; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:56:02 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEHjvn86728 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:45:58 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 09:45:57 2001 -0800 Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEHju3F016980 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:45:56 -0800 Received: from dialup-63.208.247.78.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D2648729 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:45:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:45:42 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Random SSL negotiation failures with 4.4{2,3} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: kenny@chicago.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN My outgoing SMTP host is set to use authorization and SSL (with novalidate_cert). That works well, but every now and then, at random, I'll get SSL negotiation failures: ---- SSL/TLS failure for mailhost.panix.com: SSL negotiation failed ---- ... so I'll get bounced back to either the editing session, or the ready-to- send screen, where if I try to "Ctrl-X" once or twice more, it'll eventually send the message w/o the above message. After that, things are OK again. My ISP seems to think it's not their fault: ---- Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: smtp connected from 209.244.75.123:1138 Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: Unknown client EHLO Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: Protocol negotiations failed The service on port 465 was raised in a highly formal culture. It won't do business with you (talk SMTP) until you sit down and have a cup of tea with it (negotiate an SSL session). It considers your attempt to talk SMTP first gauche and ill-mannered, so it exits. ---- ... so, I wondered if anyone else's seen this. I've seen it on Pine 4.42 and .43 . -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:27:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBEIRCV6003979 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 10:27:07 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEIR711018316; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:27:07 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEIQbb04602; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:26:38 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEIORn29116 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:24:27 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 10:24:27 2001 -0800 Received: from CLERICAL (64-205-88-237.client.dsl.net [64.205.88.237]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEIOPTA019435 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:24:26 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by CLERICAL (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:25:39 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:25:37 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "B.H." To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: url-viewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: echelon@s1.optonline.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Why is it that when I sometimes select a url to be viewed by Internet Explorer that pine surrounds the url with "http://' '". I then have to trim both ends of the address and refresh. This happens only some of the time, but when I compare a working and non-working url in pine, they are identical (i.e. no leading or trailing information). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:26:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBEKQ2V6022204 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 12:26:01 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEKQ0pr015813; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:26:00 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEKPS214950; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:25:29 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEKNJn43212 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:23:19 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 12:23:18 2001 -0800 Received: from server3.safepages.com (server3.safepages.com [216.127.146.5]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEKNI3F027747 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:23:18 -0800 Received: from mohnkern (washdc-208-186-26-26.safepages.com [208.186.26.26]) by server3.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BE45D5E for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:23:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <3C1A18CE.13221.553C26B@localhost> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:20:46 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Scott Mohnkern" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: (Fwd) Messages being moved to mbox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-pmrqc: 1 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Scott Mohnkern To: pine-info@u.washington.edu Subject: Messages being moved to mbox Date sent: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:03:09 -0500 We recently upgraded to pine 4.40 - Solaris, and we're seeing something new. Messages, when they are opened in pine, get moved from the mail spool, to ~/mbox. Is there any way to eliminate this effect? I looked at the .pinerc file, and didn't see anything there. Scott ------- End of forwarded message -------Scott Mohnkern mohnkern@millkern.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:43:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBEKhgV6007273 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 12:43:40 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEKhe11022387; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:43:40 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEKhE232286; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:43:14 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEKfRn147986 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:41:27 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 12:41:27 2001 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEKfRm1027505 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:41:27 -0800 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBEKfPM75052; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:41:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:41:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: (Fwd) Messages being moved to mbox In-Reply-To: <3C1A18CE.13221.553C26B@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Scott Mohnkern X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Scott Mohnkern (mohnkern@cpcug.org) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) We recently upgraded to pine 4.40 - Solaris, and we're seeing something :) new. :) :) Messages, when they are opened in pine, get moved from the mail spool, to :) ~/mbox. Dear Scott, My first advice it to upgrade to pine4.43, which is the stable version of the 4.40 series. Your problem is not related to this, however. Your problem comes from the fact that Pine was compiled enabling the mbox driver, which has this effect when enabled. It is enabled by default. You can eliminate this behavior without recompiling Pine, all you need to do is add to make sure that the following appears in the user's pinerc: disable-these-drivers=mbox (you can try putting this in the system wide pine.conf.fixed to disable it for everyone). Now you need to take all mail in mbox and copy it to each person's spool. In order to do this, I would suggest that you move (not copy) the mbox file to the mail/ directory in each user, and manually save all messages from mbox to INBOX (the ";" command helps here). Finally you can delete the mbox file, but of course, don't delete this file until you have backed up everything in there. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:23:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBELMxV6006783 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 13:22:57 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBELMupr017332; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:22:56 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBELM4525622; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:22:04 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBELG8n111160 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:16:09 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 13:16:08 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBELG7VK030848 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:16:08 -0800 Received: from wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (wgs.apps1.bellhow.com [192.168.70.70]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22101; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA20278; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:16:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:16:06 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: (Fwd) Messages being moved to mbox In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Eduardo Chappa X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: wgs.apps1.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@wgs.apps1.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Remember that procmail has good tools for pushing mail around from the command line. If you have a lot of mailboxes to merge, it may be worth checking into. What you would want is another command that comes in the procmail package, I think it's called "formail", but procmail is not installed on these systems and I can't check the man page. (pine is well-designed to be a nice Mail User Agent, but that makes it not-nice for doing system administration.) dan dlh@dlh.com http://www.NationalReform.org/ - Explicitly Christian Politics Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh, but in vain. On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > *** Scott Mohnkern (mohnkern@cpcug.org) wrote in the pine-info list today: > > :) We recently upgraded to pine 4.40 - Solaris, and we're seeing something > :) new. > :) > :) Messages, when they are opened in pine, get moved from the mail spool, to > :) ~/mbox. > > Dear Scott, > > My first advice it to upgrade to pine4.43, which is the stable version of > the 4.40 series. Your problem is not related to this, however. > > Your problem comes from the fact that Pine was compiled enabling the > mbox driver, which has this effect when enabled. It is enabled by default. > > You can eliminate this behavior without recompiling Pine, all you need to > do is add to make sure that the following appears in the user's pinerc: > > disable-these-drivers=mbox > > (you can try putting this in the system wide pine.conf.fixed to disable it > for everyone). > > Now you need to take all mail in mbox and copy it to each person's spool. > In order to do this, I would suggest that you move (not copy) the mbox > file to the mail/ directory in each user, and manually save all messages > from mbox to INBOX (the ";" command helps here). Finally you can delete > the mbox file, but of course, don't delete this file until you have backed > up everything in there. > > -- > Eduardo > http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:46:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBEMkgV6029510 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 14:46:39 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEMkdpr019869; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:46:39 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEMkB423560; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:46:15 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBEMh2n154066 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:43:02 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 14:43:02 2001 -0800 Received: from aslan.narnia.pp.se (aslan.narnia.pp.se [212.247.3.100]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBEMh0VK021882 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:43:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (dufberg@localhost) by aslan.narnia.pp.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBEMh0F58472 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:43:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dufberg@narnia.pp.se) Message-Id: <20011214234017.Q41782-100000@aslan.narnia.pp.se> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:43:00 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mats Dufberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: How do I control Content-Type of Mime attachment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-message-flag: Tired of your mail client? Get pine! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Somebody asked how to make a jpeg file be attached as image/jpeg. I think that the answer is to have a file /etc/mime.types or ~/.mime.types with the following line image/jpeg jpe jpeg jpg Mats ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mats Dufberg dufberg@narnia.pp.se Bl=E5arvsgr=E4nd 42 +46-8-38 48 59 SE-162 45 V=E4llingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:03:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBF73bV6006175 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 23:03:35 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBF73Y11003459; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:03:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBF732518760; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:03:02 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBF711n124358 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:01:01 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 14 23:01:00 2001 -0800 Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.58]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBF710m1000759; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:01:00 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:00:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mark Crispin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Random SSL negotiation failures with 4.4{2,3} #011214@10:24:21.32466 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Kenneth Crudup X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum , Terry Gray , Pine Buggy X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote: > My outgoing SMTP host is set to use authorization and SSL (with > novalidate_cert). That works well, but every now and then, at random, I'll > get SSL negotiation failures: > SSL/TLS failure for mailhost.panix.com: SSL negotiation failed This error message occurs when the server fails to do initial SSL negotiation. The actual error condition occurred in the bowels of the OpenSSL library. SSL negotiation failed" is Pine's default message for an OpenSSL error when OpenSSL does not pass up any error message. Generally, it means that the server closed the connection without transmitting any SSL negotiations, although it can also happen if the server sent non-SSL data. stunnel, which your ISP uses, is also OpenSSL-based. > My ISP seems to think it's not their fault: > ---- > Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: smtp connected from 209.244.75.123:1138 > Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: Unknown client EHLO > Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: Protocol negotiations failed > > The service on port 465 was raised in a highly formal culture. It > won't do business with you (talk SMTP) until you sit down and have > a cup of tea with it (negotiate an SSL session). It considers your > attempt to talk SMTP first gauche and ill-mannered, so it exits. > ---- Try talking with your ISP again; but this time, speak with someone who spends more time investigating a problem report and less time making cutesy comments. The person that you talked to seems to be under the mistaken impression that "Unknown client EHLO" means that Pine sent an unencrypted EHLO to the SSL SMTP server. I don't know what that message means (it isn't in my copy of the stunnel sources), but it is impossible for Pine to send an EHLO unless it first receives a 220 greeting. Furthermore, any Pine error message starting with "SSL/TLS failure" occurs after the TCP/IP connection was opened, and before there is any attempt to read a 220 greeting or send an EHLO. It's possible that those error messages aren't even from a Pine session, but rather from something else; e.g. someone trying to telnet to that port. By the way, I know why you have had to use /novalidate-cert. The SSL certificate used by mailhost.panix.com is for "pop3s.panix.com" which happens to use the same IP addresses. Apparently the programmers at Panix have not yet mastered the technique of sending appropriate certificates. If you set smtp-server in your Pine configuration to "pop3s.panix.com" you won't need to use /novalidate-cert, at least not until they fix their misconfigured server. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:58:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBJ0wlV6016031 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 18 16:58:44 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJ0wh11007874; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:58:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJ0vw517030; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:57:58 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJ0sNn120488 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:54:23 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 18 16:54:22 2001 -0800 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBJ0sMTA026821 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:54:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 2969 invoked by uid 1828); 19 Dec 2001 00:54:10 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:54:10 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: ignore (stupid) NOPs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN If you're already at the index screen, and hit 'i', you get: [Command "i" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help] Now, I realize, it's silly, why hit I if you're already at the index screen.. But I seem to do it a lot.. (I guess it's kind of like people who make exaggerations similar to "if you don't know what you're doing in vi, hit escape a bunch of times".) Seems to me that non-destructive NOPs (yes that's redundant) shouldn't really generate error/warning messages. No, obviously I don't expect 'i' to be at the menu when you're already in the index, just silently ignore it. (This is with 4.40 btw.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:16:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBJ1G3V6010062 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 18 17:16:02 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJ1G1pr002895; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:16:02 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJ1FO224038; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:15:24 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJ1DXn172542 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:13:33 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 18 17:13:33 2001 -0800 Received: from zeus.med.uottawa.ca (zeus.med.uottawa.ca [137.122.224.2]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJ1DWm1011696 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:13:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (nbirkett@localhost) by zeus.med.uottawa.ca (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06866 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:09:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:09:31 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Nick Birkett (x8289)" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ignore (stupid) NOPs? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Actually, strange as it may be, I find this action helpful. I access pine a lot through the Internet. Sometimes, I'm not sure if my connection has frozen. So, I simply hit an 'i' when I'm in the index. The [Command "i"...] error message reassures me that things are fine. I'm sure this isn't what the designers had in mind, but :-) On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote: > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:54:10 -0800 (PST) > From: Matt Ackeret > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: ignore (stupid) NOPs? > > > If you're already at the index screen, and hit 'i', you get: > [Command "i" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help] > > Now, I realize, it's silly, why hit I if you're already at the index screen.. > But I seem to do it a lot.. (I guess it's kind of like people who make > exaggerations similar to "if you don't know what you're doing in vi, hit > escape a bunch of times".) > > Seems to me that non-destructive NOPs (yes that's redundant) shouldn't really > generate error/warning messages. > > No, obviously I don't expect 'i' to be at the menu when you're already > in the index, just silently ignore it. > > (This is with 4.40 btw.) > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ======================================================================== Nicholas Birkett, M.D., M.Sc. Epidemiology and Community Medicine University of Ottawa nbirkett@zeus.med.uottawa.ca 451 Smyth Rd., (613)-562-5800 x 8289 (voice) Ottawa, Ontario, (613)-562-5465 (fax) Canada. K1H 8M5 ========================================================================= From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:55:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBJ1tlV6007222 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:55:50 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 18 17:55:37 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJ1ta11009130; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:55:36 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJ1t2b33430; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:55:02 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJ1rAn150770 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:53:10 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 18 17:53:09 2001 -0800 Received: from mailhost.iitb.ac.in (mailhost.iitb.ac.in [203.197.74.142] (may be forged)) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBJ1r6m1019323 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:53:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 31655 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 01:50:45 -0000 Received: from bhairav.ee.iitb.ac.in (144.16.100.100) by mailhost.iitb.ac.in with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 01:50:45 -0000 Received: from brahmi.ee.iitb.ac.in (puriya.ee.iitb.ernet.in [144.16.100.17]) by bhairav.ee.iitb.ac.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22596; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:20:56 +0530 (IST) Received: from localhost (praveenk@localhost) by brahmi.ee.iitb.ac.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32165; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:29:42 +0530 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:29:41 +0530 (IST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Praveen Kumar To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: ignore (stupid) NOPs? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Nick Birkett (x8289)" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: brahmi.ee.iitb.ac.in: praveenk owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Nick, this is called clever use of stupid things :-) On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Nick Birkett (x8289) wrote: >Actually, strange as it may be, I find this action helpful. I access pine >a lot through the Internet. Sometimes, I'm not sure if my connection has >frozen. So, I simply hit an 'i' when I'm in the index. The [Command >"i"...] error message reassures me that things are fine. I'm sure this >isn't what the designers had in mind, but :-) > >On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:54:10 -0800 (PST) >> From: Matt Ackeret >> To: Pine Discussion Forum >> Subject: ignore (stupid) NOPs? >> >> >> If you're already at the index screen, and hit 'i', you get: >> [Command "i" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help] >> >> Now, I realize, it's silly, why hit I if you're already at the index screen.. >> But I seem to do it a lot.. (I guess it's kind of like people who make >> exaggerations similar to "if you don't know what you're doing in vi, hit >> escape a bunch of times".) >> >> Seems to me that non-destructive NOPs (yes that's redundant) shouldn't really >> generate error/warning messages. >> >> No, obviously I don't expect 'i' to be at the menu when you're already >> in the index, just silently ignore it. >> >> (This is with 4.40 btw.) >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: >> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >======================================================================== >Nicholas Birkett, M.D., M.Sc. >Epidemiology and Community Medicine >University of Ottawa nbirkett@zeus.med.uottawa.ca >451 Smyth Rd., (613)-562-5800 x 8289 (voice) >Ottawa, Ontario, (613)-562-5465 (fax) >Canada. 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-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:24:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBJ6OaV6000394 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 18 22:24:32 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJ6OV11013810; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:24:31 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJ6N9416632; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:23:09 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJ69Kn94632 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:09:21 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 18 22:09:19 2001 -0800 Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJ69IVK014085 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:09:19 -0800 Received: from dialup-63.208.236.6.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512D88F55 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:09:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:08:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Compaq PIII1.06G Notebook ... etc ... In-Reply-To: <200112190515.fBJ5F6ps007376@mx1.cac.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@ProStar.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Time to set up "members-only posting", eh? -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:22:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBJDMNV6009925 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 19 05:22:20 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJDMK11021181; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:22:20 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJDLa204850; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:21:36 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJDJNn59858 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:19:23 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 19 05:19:19 2001 -0800 Received: from knjiga.skpu.hr (knjiga.skpu.hr [161.53.146.3]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJDJFTA024131 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:19:17 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by knjiga.skpu.hr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05308 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:21:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (sjanko@localhost) by knjiga.skpu.hr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05301 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:20:44 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:20:44 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Silvano Janko To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: pines set-up info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: PINE-HELP-LIST-Washington X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Please pine-info, can you send me an answer how I can set-up this in PINE: In which way PINE can be set-up for "autorespond an notification to the sender e-mail address of the incoming mail that the e-mail was received at the receiving user server but the user can't temporary read the message because isn't present in some period of time"? Thank You very much! sjanko@skpu.hr -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:38:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBJDcdV6032698 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 19 05:38:34 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJDcYpr016238; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:38:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJDbr513790; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:37:53 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBJDZsn41750 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:35:54 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 19 05:35:50 2001 -0800 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBJDZnm1032624 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:35:50 -0800 Received: from ms-emuc07-01.Germany.Sun.COM ([129.157.128.14]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03311; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:35:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from sr-emuc07-04 (sr-emuc07-04 [129.157.128.23]) by ms-emuc07-01.Germany.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id OAA27248; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:35:47 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:35:47 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: Constantin Gonzalez Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Constantin Gonzalez To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: pines set-up info In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Silvano Janko X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: constant@sr-emuc07-04 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, > In which way PINE can be set-up for "autorespond an notification to the > sender e-mail address of the incoming mail that the e-mail was received at > the receiving user server but the user can't temporary read the message > because isn't present in some period of time"? Short answer: It's not Pine's job, ask your EMail System administrator on how to do this. Long answer: This is out of the current scope for pine. The way Pine is architectured, it acts only when the user starts it up, not in an automagical way when EMail is being received. What you need to do the above is a program called "vacation". If your EMail resides on a Unix server and if your server allows you to run programs whenever an EMail is received for you by the system (through the .forward-mechanism), then you can use "vacation". Most Unix users fall under this category. Do a "man vacation" to find out more about this useful little program. If you use PC Pine (or some other non Unix implementation), but your server resides on a Unix system and you have access to it, then you can as well use "vacation". Other, more powerful alternatives to vacation include procmail: http://www.procmail.org/ If your EMail resides on a Windows, Mac or some other EMail system, then you are at the mercy of whatever your EMail system allows you to do with incoming mail on an automated basis. Ask your EMail administrator. In the Windows world, Outlook has a proprietary mechanism to talk to a Microsoft Exchange server and negotiate mail-autoresponding while you are away. The user gets the impression that this is a functionality of the EMail client while in reality it's the server that does the work. As for Pine, it would be a nice thing to include vacation and/or procmail configuration integration into the Pine user interface to facilitate such functionality, at least on Unix systems. Hope this helps. Regards, Constantin -- Constantin Gonzalez Sun Microsystems GmbH Systems Engineer Sonnenallee 1 Technology & Product Consulting 85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Tel.: +49 89/4 60 08-25 91 Federal Republic of Germany Fax : +49 89/4 60 08-22 22 http://www.sun.de/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:15:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBKGEwV6014157 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 08:14:56 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBKGEupr023317; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:14:56 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKGDv421882; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:13:57 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKGAcn98256 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:10:38 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 08:10:37 2001 -0800 Received: from smtp.gospelcom.net (joppa.gospelcom.net [204.253.132.6]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBKGAaVK011639 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:10:37 -0800 Received: (qmail 14170 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 16:10:35 -0000 Received: from jabbok.gospelcom.net (HELO amos.gf.gospelcom.net) (204.253.132.4) by joppa.gospelcom.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 16:10:35 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:09:20 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joel Boonstra To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: need some testers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: joel@amos.gf.gospelcom.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Howdy, Well, Eduardo Chappa has been kind enough to 1) write a patch, and 2) spend time with me to help see why it's not functioning as expected on my install of pine. I'm speaking of the 'fancy threading' patch: http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/fancy.html The patch itself has been eliminated as the cause for the problem. We've discovered that the thread information returned by my IMAP server doesn't properly report parent/child relationships, which is causing the messages not to appear threaded properly. However, I don't know if it's a failing in courier-imap (which we're using) to interpret Pine's requests properly, or a failing in Pine to properly form the request. So, I'm wondering if anyone out there who uses pine 4.43 to access a remote IMAP account on a server running courier-imap (any version) could download a copy of Eduardo's patch, patch pine, and test out the threading. I was able to easily demonstrate that threading wasn't happening properly with a few simple tests (compose a message, reply to a message or two, compose a new one, reply to some replys), but if you need messages that I've verified to display the non-threading behavior, I can provide 'em. The problem that I was seeing was that none of the messages were assigned a parent by the server (gdb helped reveal this), so there was no usable way for the pine to display threads. If, however, pine was invoked on a local inbox containing the same messages, threading worked just dandy, since the server was no longer used to report threads. FWIW, we have several mutt users, and threading works for them. However, I have no idea if mutt implements threads in a similar manner to this patch. Thanks in advance! I'd really like to hear if others with my setup are able to use this patch. Joel -- [ joel boonstra | jboonstra@gospelcom.net ] -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:55:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBKHtSV6013979 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 09:55:24 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBKHtNpr026183; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:55:23 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKHsk224020; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:54:46 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKHlKn113230 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:47:21 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 09:47:19 2001 -0800 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBKHlJ3F028286 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:47:19 -0800 Received: (qmail 27130 invoked by uid 1828); 20 Dec 2001 17:47:04 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:47:04 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: vacation In-Reply-To: <200112200814.fBK8EHb25726@list4.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 pine-info@u.washington.edu wrote: >What you need to do the above is a program called "vacation". If your EMail >resides on a Unix server and if your server allows you to run programs whenever >an EMail is received for you by the system (through the .forward-mechanism), >then you can use "vacation". Though we're getting even further off topic, just a bit of warning about vacation. Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such. If you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING LIST, and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus snowballing into a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at least temporarily) removed from the mailing list. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:08:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBKI7wV6017079 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 10:07:53 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBKI7rpr026543; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:07:53 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKI7J525624; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:07:19 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKI4hn86590 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:04:45 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 10:04:41 2001 -0800 Received: from merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (merhaba.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.130]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBKI4f3F000712 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:04:41 -0800 Received: from localhost by merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08335; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:04:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:04:40 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Freda B Birnbaum To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: vacation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: fbb6@columbia.edu X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: Freda B Birnbaum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote: > >What you need to do the above is a program called "vacation". If your EMail > >resides on a Unix server and if your server allows you to run programs whenever > >an EMail is received for you by the system (through the .forward-mechanism), > >then you can use "vacation". > > Though we're getting even further off topic, just a bit of warning > about vacation. > > Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such. If > you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING > LIST, and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus > snowballing into a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at > least temporarily) removed from the mailing list. Right on topic, thanks!! As a listowner and list-"assistant", as well as a listmember of many lists, I cannot agree too strongly with this one!! Freda Birnbaum, fbb6@columbia.edu "Call on God, but row away from the rocks" From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:32:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBKJWIV6024150 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:32:19 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 11:32:17 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBKJWG11002468; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:32:16 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKJVm221552; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:31:48 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKJTgn98096 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:29:42 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 11:29:41 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBKJTe3F023139 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:29:40 -0800 Received: from wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (wgs.apps1.bellhow.com [192.168.70.70]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17043; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA28401; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:29:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:29:34 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: vacation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Freda B Birnbaum X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: wgs.apps1.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@wgs.apps1.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN But isn't vacation, unlike some commercial software from large vendors, clever enough to not send its automatic message in response to properly marked list mail? dan On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Freda B Birnbaum wrote: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote: > > > >What you need to do the above is a program called "vacation". If your EMail > > >resides on a Unix server and if your server allows you to run programs whenever > > >an EMail is received for you by the system (through the .forward-mechanism), > > >then you can use "vacation". > > > > Though we're getting even further off topic, just a bit of warning > > about vacation. > > > > Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such. If > > you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING > > LIST, and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus > > snowballing into a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at > > least temporarily) removed from the mailing list. > > Right on topic, thanks!! > > As a listowner and list-"assistant", as well as a listmember of many > lists, I cannot agree too strongly with this one!! > > Freda Birnbaum, fbb6@columbia.edu > "Call on God, but row away from the rocks" > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBKJoEV6023600 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 11:50:11 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBKJoApr029797; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:50:11 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKJnZ208022; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:49:35 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBKJlQn38870 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:47:26 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 20 11:47:26 2001 -0800 Received: from aslan.narnia.pp.se (aslan.narnia.pp.se [212.247.3.100]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBKJlOTA014618 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:47:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (dufberg@localhost) by aslan.narnia.pp.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBKJlLG04938; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:47:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dufberg@narnia.pp.se) Message-Id: <20011220204127.F3202-100000@aslan.narnia.pp.se> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:47:21 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mats Dufberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: vacation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: Matt Ackeret X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-message-flag: Tired of your mail client? Get pine! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Dec 20, 2001, 09:47 (-0800) Matt Ackeret wrote: > Though we're getting even further off topic, just a bit of warning about > vacation. > > Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such. > If you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING LIST= , > and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus snowballing in= to > a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at least temporarily) remov= ed > from the mailing list. The warning is valid, but vacation is smart or conservative enough not to cause the problem if correctly configured. Vacation sends no auto-message unless the mail is addressed TO the address or one of the addresses that you have configured vacation to react on. I would typically tell vacation to react on "dufberg@narnia.pp.se". If and only of the mail is sent TO that address any message will be sent. No messages will be sent to a mail TO "pine-info@u.washington.edu". A second limitation of vacation is that it only sends one auto-message per two weeks (a time period that could be set). Mats ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mats Dufberg dufberg@narnia.pp.se Bl=E5arvsgr=E4nd 42 +46-8-38 48 59 SE-162 45 V=E4llingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:56:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBL9u0V6012731 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 21 01:55:59 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBL9twpr015794; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:55:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBL9t8213778; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:55:09 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBL9qin105592 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:52:44 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 21 01:52:43 2001 -0800 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBL9qgm1023254 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:52:43 -0800 Received: from ms-emuc07-01.Germany.Sun.COM ([129.157.128.14]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA09789; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:52:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from sr-emuc07-03 (sr-emuc07-03 [129.157.128.22]) by ms-emuc07-01.Germany.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id KAA21465; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:52:40 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:52:40 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: Constantin Gonzalez Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Constantin Gonzalez To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: vacation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Matt Ackeret X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: constant@sr-emuc07-03 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, > Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such. > If you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING LIST, > and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus snowballing into > a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at least temporarily) removed > from the mailing list. yes, that's true. That's one of the reasons I would recommend procmail over the traditional vacation. It comes with some nice scripts for providing a good, solid vacation-like mechanism without the threat of auto-answering to mailing-lists and daemons. Still, I don't think this is off-topic. Pine has been designed with Usability in mind. One of its core features are ease of use. And as we see from the previous EMails, a user does not care who provides the service of auto- responding he just wants the notification to reach the sendet when he's away. Since Pine is their interface of choice for doing anything EMail-related, it's logical that Pine users ask for this functionality to be included into Pine. So, it really would be nice if Pine (at least under Unix) would help users configure their vacation program (or even Procmail, but that's another story). Just my two Euro-cents. Regards, Constantin -- Constantin Gonzalez Sun Microsystems GmbH Systems Engineer Sonnenallee 1 Technology & Product Consulting 85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Tel.: +49 89/4 60 08-25 91 Federal Republic of Germany Fax : +49 89/4 60 08-22 22 http://www.sun.de/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:31:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBLEVeV6014188 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 21 06:31:36 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBLEVZ11025966; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:31:35 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBLEV1b28042; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:31:02 -0800 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBLESsn120342 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:28:54 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 21 06:28:53 2001 -0800 Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBLESq3F028640 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:28:53 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7E48EA1 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:28:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:28:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: vacation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@ProStar.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Constantin Gonzalez wrote: > Since Pine is their interface of choice for doing anything EMail-related, it's > logical that Pine users ask for this functionality to be included into Pine. Hrmph. I suggest we take a vote on that. Hell, what's next to go into pine? We've already *got* newsreading, file management, and mail- why not go completely Bloatware and add an office suite, too?! -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:38:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBMEclV6000876 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Dec 22 06:38:43 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBMEcgpr016668; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:38:42 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBMEbtb07878; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:37:55 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBMEZEn14086 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:35:14 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Dec 22 06:35:11 2001 -0800 Received: from niwot.scd.ucar.edu (niwot.scd.ucar.edu [128.117.8.223]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBMEZATA011270 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:35:10 -0800 Received: from sedona.scd.ucar.edu (sedona.scd.ucar.edu [128.117.8.183]) by niwot.scd.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24808; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (era@localhost) by sedona.scd.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA07179; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:35:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:35:10 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: era@ucar.edu Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Ed Arnold To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: vacation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Kenneth Crudup X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: sedona.scd.ucar.edu: era owned process doing -bs X-Sender: era@sedona.scd.ucar.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote: > Hell, what's next to go into pine? We've already *got* newsreading, file > management, and mail- why not go completely Bloatware and add an office > suite, too?! Great idea! And while they're at it, the Pine team should make it susceptible to all those windoze virii, too. After all, what's compatibility if not complete? :-) From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:15:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBPKFRV6007797 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:15:27 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 25 12:15:22 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBPKFMpr021751; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:15:22 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBPKEQ568630; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:14:26 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBPK8hn141328 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:08:43 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Dec 25 12:08:43 2001 -0800 Received: from smtp.gospelcom.net (joppa.gospelcom.net [204.253.132.6]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBPK8gVK001919 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:08:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 11771 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 20:08:41 -0000 Received: from 1cust249.tnt18.lax3.da.uu.net (63.27.129.249) by joppa.gospelcom.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 20:08:41 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:06:15 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joel Boonstra To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: feature request: choose smtp server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: joel@amos.gf.gospelcom.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hey, I, and others I work with, have found ourselves taking advantage of pine's ability to define multiple smtp servers, since we work both from the office and from home. However, I constantly find myself forgetting to shuffle the appropriate server name up and down depending on where I'm working from. This leads to the first message I send failing, and me having to remember to re-shuffle my server names. Would it be valuable to allow you to choose which smtp server to use for a particular message, much like a sending filter? That way, when I send a message, I could shuffle through my smtp servers to decide which one to use upon sending. This could, of course, be configurable, so if I didn't want the choice, I wouldn't have it. Or maybe this would only be available if multiple smtp servers were defined in the config. Thinking about this, now that I've written this down, this may end up being more of a pain than a feature. Have other people found this to be something they might need? Joel -- [ joel boonstra | jboonstra@gospelcom.net ] -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:39:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBQ8cAV6017806 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 00:37:42 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBQ8bfpr032003; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:37:42 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBQ8ar422430; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:36:54 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBQ8Wjn168164 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:32:45 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 00:32:41 2001 -0800 Received: from post.tau.ac.il (post.tau.ac.il [132.66.16.11]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBQ8WXTA001427 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:32:34 -0800 Received: from david-2000.tau-centaur.tau.ac.il (cc209.tau.ac.il [132.66.33.54]) by post.tau.ac.il (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBQ8WWw16113; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:32:32 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:32:32 +0200 (Jerusalem Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: David Sitman To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Problem with MIME attachments in PC-Pine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: pine@cac.washington.edu X-X-Sender: david@sinta.tau.ac.il X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Most of our PC-Pine users (various versions of PC-Pine 4.XX) are experiencing problems when they send mail attachments. The "boundary=" string as it appears in the "Content-type" header is different from the string in the body of the message. As a result, the recipient's mail program sees the message as malformed or empty, the text body can not be read and the attachments can not be opened. Any ideas what's causing this and how the problem can be overcome? Thanks, David Sitman Tel Aviv University Here is an example: ---- >From david@post.tau.ac.il Wed Dec 26 09:57:01 2001 +0200 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: Return-Path: Received: from david-2000.tau-centaur.tau.ac.il (cc209.tau.ac.il [132.66.33.54]) by post.tau.ac.il (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBQ7v1w06184; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:57:01 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:56:56 +0200 (Jerusal X-DEFANGED-Date: [105800] em Standard Time) From: David Sitman To: david@post.tau.ac.il, Subject: testing attachments Message-ID: X-X-Sender: david@sinta.tau.ac.il X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.32 2001/10/11 19:27:15 bre Exp $ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; boundary="=?iso-8859-1?B?NTQwODc0MS0xMjQ4LTEwMDkzNTM0MTY9OjE4Njg=?=" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --5408741-1248-1009353416=:1868 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII test... --5408741-1248-1009353416=:1868 Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream; name="os047066.bin" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="os047066.bin" haUtUuWFhj3Nz0dH0/fOLBNJ0ieYYYxl2UBmTkEh02pwqXcWlXvrJ6X5mDOf EPN1R+btQZ6zx0BnHrD/1FSIbYIPP/1P/fu0/TB3Avbi3TWhUSXJ9PuKPyJt VEs4OAAAYIv6ZlO1Vh05+O2SyiQDnEXCEfhg2bDHTnKb1vZk/L18iY9TmyKr SJT4YTec9rkOHr6Naswo3y2kwIxpF00FRu9HfbiMfjjWerATLjzAm5k8f4es Li+WSd08fWLl+43vddQO1CpnK3AcF6GM0buDYFqbf1sAkYbZxjSRGK456vaB o+bGYhIDa0UuqES9yQpSueYU5+pvPUpNslKV1FIpDfJhWUCzha4bzXgRwYM/ loP9LuM8izjfQh/3ze/3k12fn6stpTWbPW598LIKTbtI1RfBUHe3m/V9K7PP dTsUCvzN0DySujXQGb0s2nHrc4WXtCalhHU6pweudvl1u4UOkOB7sa61hhxc STqnwvVx7Gn5Sc8PBN46zW/nBAlwvljG9bnILC58aRX/WEuqzV5KXULpyHhK 7l+tgSvPnk0VUY6aqWBcTtK6FyjM8WPmVChaAWH5KCcOtsSPRxa+7sPyMrj+ JMZ09O4Tw7/XFv+ZtNksGyw1ZuAM0aB5JhdXidMvCYMQcuq3kyitu0T+UaYQ WQ== --5408741-1248-1009353416=:1868-- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:32:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBQMWFV6021626 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 14:31:51 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBQMVppr015526; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:31:51 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBQMUxb04456; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:30:59 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBQMRxn58568 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:27:59 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 14:27:59 2001 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBQMRx3F012856 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:27:59 -0800 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBQMRsp411410; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:27:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:27:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: feature request: choose smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Joel Boonstra X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Joel Boonstra (jboonstra@gospelcom.net) wrote in the pine-info list on...: :) I, and others I work with, have found ourselves taking advantage of :) pine's ability to define multiple smtp servers, since we work both from :) the office and from home. However, I constantly find myself forgetting :) to shuffle the appropriate server name up and down depending on where :) I'm working from. This leads to the first message I send failing, and :) me having to remember to re-shuffle my server names. :) [snip] :) Thinking about this, now that I've written this down, this may end up :) being more of a pain than a feature. Have other people found this to be :) something they might need? Hello Joel, You can't do this as you ask for. Given that you know that smtp-server is a list, and that doesn't work for you, you can try a patch that I have in my web page which allows you to "define your own rules...". Among other things you can do this. If you apply the patch then all you need to do is to define the new variable "smtp-rules" to be something like _ROLE_ == {nick of role} => _SMTP_{some.smtp.server} _ADDRESSTO_ == {foo@bar.com.edu} => _SMTP_{another.smtp.server} _TO_ == {Fred Flinstones} => _SMTP_{smtp.bedrock.foo} What the patch will do is to add all the smtp servers where it finds a match to the top of the list of stmp-servers (so the first match will be the first smtp server in your new list, the second match the second in your list, and so on, and all that is followed by your list of smtp servers). As you point out, it would also be nice to be able to choose the smtp server among a list of possible smtp servers, in the same way that one chooses a printer when you print from pine, but that today is not possible yet. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:26:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBQNQYV6018841 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 15:26:32 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBQNQWpr016691; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:26:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBQNPq415198; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:25:52 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBQNNsn14016 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:23:54 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 15:23:54 2001 -0800 Received: from aslan.narnia.pp.se (aslan.narnia.pp.se [212.247.3.100]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBQNNqVK007201 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:23:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (dufberg@localhost) by aslan.narnia.pp.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBQNNm418658; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 00:23:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dufberg@narnia.pp.se) Message-Id: <20011227001932.H18602-100000@aslan.narnia.pp.se> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 00:23:48 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mats Dufberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Problem with MIME attachments in PC-Pine In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: David Sitman X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-message-flag: Tired of your mail client? Get pine! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Dec 26, 2001, 10:32 (+0200) David Sitman wrote: > Most of our PC-Pine users (various versions of PC-Pine 4.XX) are > experiencing problems when they send mail attachments. The "boundary=3D" > string as it appears in the "Content-type" header is different from the > string in the body of the message. As a result, the recipient's mail > program sees the message as malformed or empty, the text body can not be > read and the attachments can not be opened. (...) > X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! > X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ > X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.32 2001/10/11 19:27:15 bre Exp $ > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; boundary=3D"=3D?iso-8859-1?B?NTQwODc0MS0xM= jQ4LTEwMDkzNTM0MTY9OjE4Njg=3D?=3D" (...) > --5408741-1248-1009353416=3D:1868 (...) > --5408741-1248-1009353416=3D:1868-- It looks like the boundary in the header has been converted to Base64 in the header, though against the protocol as far as I know. Is that the fault of pine, or is the mail altertered on its way. What is the "Sanitizer"? What does that do? How does the mail look like in "sent-mail"? Mats ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mats Dufberg dufberg@narnia.pp.se Bl=E5arvsgr=E4nd 42 +46-8-38 48 59 SE-162 45 V=E4llingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:50:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBR1o1V6022030 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 17:49:54 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBR1nr11024347; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:49:53 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBR1nIb06816; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:49:18 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBR1l6n126806 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:47:06 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 17:47:02 2001 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBR1l2VK025823 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:47:02 -0800 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 17:46:58 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.aurora.edu (mail.aurora.edu [64.107.89.49]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBR1kw11024300 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:46:58 -0800 Received: from localhost (slowe@localhost) by mail.aurora.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fBR1kvBh038363 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:46:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:46:57 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: slowe@mail.aurora.edu Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Steve Lowe To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Message Header Information / Errors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Information List X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I am attempting to eliminate the Authentication-Warning message that appears in our syslog file (see sample below of the three lines). It does not appear for everybody, just myself> I have adjusted my PINE (.pinerc) configuration file (SMTP-server) in an attempt to stop the message, but to no avail. What is interesting that this error appears only to occur on my account. Any thoughts what might cause this problem? Thanks in advance. -- Steve Lowe Aurora University EMail: Steve.Lowe@aurora.edu ---------------------------SYSLOG ENTRIES--------------------------------- Dec 26 16:47:21 admin sendmail[518509]: fBQMlLa5518509: Authentication-Warning: admin.aurora.edu: slowe owned process doing -bs Dec 26 16:47:21 admin sendmail[518509]: fBQMlLa5518509: from=, size=24, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, relay=slowe@localhost Dec 26 16:47:21 admin sendmail[518638]: fBQMlLa5518509: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30319, relay=students.aurora.edu. [192.168.1.49], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (fBQMpi5O127185 Message accepted for delivery) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:33:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBR7XBV6015918 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 23:33:07 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBR7X611029494; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:33:06 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBR7W6233594; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:32:06 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBR7UAn150538 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:30:10 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Dec 26 23:30:10 2001 -0800 Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBR7U93F004632 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:30:09 -0800 Received: from shell.worldonline.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD0F38161; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:29:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.worldonline.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01745; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:29:47 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:29:47 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message Header Information / Errors In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Steve Lowe X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: shell.worldonline.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hey, I get it too occasionally - not in a syslog file but on msgs to myself. I've never bothered to check if it also occurs on msgs to third parties. Will do so soon. Bruce Cohen On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Steve Lowe wrote: > > > I am attempting to eliminate the Authentication-Warning message that > appears in our syslog file (see sample below of the three lines). It does > not appear for everybody, just myself> I have adjusted my PINE (.pinerc) > configuration file (SMTP-server) in an attempt to stop the message, but to > no avail. What is interesting that this error appears only to occur on my > account. > > Any thoughts what might cause this problem? > > Thanks in advance. > > -- Steve Lowe > Aurora University > EMail: Steve.Lowe@aurora.edu > > ---------------------------SYSLOG ENTRIES--------------------------------- > > Dec 26 16:47:21 admin sendmail[518509]: fBQMlLa5518509: > Authentication-Warning: admin.aurora.edu: slowe owned process doing -bs > > Dec 26 16:47:21 admin sendmail[518509]: fBQMlLa5518509: > from=, size=24, class=0, nrcpts=1, > msgid=, > proto=ESMTP, relay=slowe@localhost > > Dec 26 16:47:21 admin sendmail[518638]: fBQMlLa5518509: > to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, > mailer=esmtp, pri=30319, relay=students.aurora.edu. [192.168.1.49], > dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (fBQMpi5O127185 Message accepted for delivery) > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 03:13:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBRBDGV6024447 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 03:13:16 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 03:13:13 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRBDDpr028225; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 03:13:13 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRBCL508036; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 03:12:21 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRB6bn130206 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 03:06:37 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 03:06:34 2001 -0800 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRB6Um1007254 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 03:06:33 -0800 Received: from modem-1295.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.5.15]) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16JYMn-0004TW-00; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:06:29 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:06:25 +0000 (GMT Normalzeit) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nancy McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: feature request: choose smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Mac/Unix/PC Pine! Info @ www.ii.com X-X-Sender: nancy@imap.iecc.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 25 Dec 2001 Joel Boonstra (jboonstra@gospelcom.net) wrote: > I, and others I work with, have found ourselves taking > advantage of pine's ability to define multiple smtp servers, > since we work both from the office and from home. However, I > constantly find myself forgetting to shuffle the appropriate > server name up and down depending on where I'm working from. > This leads to the first message I send failing, and me having > to remember to re-shuffle my server names. I also have this problem and I don't understand why Pine doesn't step to the next SMTP server in the list and try that one when the first fails. Could someone on the Pine team explain how the smtp-server list is supposed to work so I can update my Power Pine page so it accurately describes how this list variable works. > Would it be valuable to allow you to choose which smtp server > to use for a particular message, much like a sending filter? I also would really like this and it's my first wish in my Pine wish list, which is here http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishesMisc Can you describe more about your setup? Do you have a laptop that you move back and forth between work and home? What operating system is it running? What version of Pine are you running? Does one or both of your SMTP servers reside on a system that you can SSH to? Depending on your answers, I may have some suggestions for easy ways to set things up so you don't need to worry about swapping your smtp-server list. -Nancy -- ii Main Pine Page: Nancy McGough Infinite Ink --= Sent via Pine 4.43: IMAP, NNTP & ESMTP for Unix/Win/MacOS X =-- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:14:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBRCEYV6003753 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 04:14:32 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRCEWpr029297; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:14:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRCDIb06798; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:13:18 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRCB1n150624 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:11:01 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 04:10:57 2001 -0800 Received: from aslan.narnia.pp.se (aslan.narnia.pp.se [212.247.3.100]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRCAu3F026012 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:10:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (dufberg@localhost) by aslan.narnia.pp.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBRCAmV19861; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:10:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dufberg@narnia.pp.se) Message-Id: <20011227130517.Y19847-100000@aslan.narnia.pp.se> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:10:48 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mats Dufberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message Header Information / Errors In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: Steve Lowe X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-message-flag: Tired of your mail client? Get pine! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Dec 26, 2001, 19:46 (-0600) Steve Lowe wrote: > I am attempting to eliminate the Authentication-Warning message that > appears in our syslog file (see sample below of the three lines). It doe= s > not appear for everybody, just myself> I have adjusted my PINE (.pinerc) > configuration file (SMTP-server) in an attempt to stop the message, but t= o > no avail. What is interesting that this error appears only to occur on m= y > account. If you send the mail through an SMTP server instead of directly via sendmail you will not get the warning. Another solution is to update sendmail.cf with your user id: From=20sendmail.cf: ##################### # Trusted users # ##################### # this is equivalent to setting class "t" #Ft/etc/mail/trusted-users Troot Tdaemon Tuucp Add "Tslowe" to remove the warning. Mats ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mats Dufberg dufberg@narnia.pp.se Bl=E5arvsgr=E4nd 42 +46-8-38 48 59 SE-162 45 V=E4llingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:41:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBRIfCV6021878 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 10:41:11 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRIfApr004367; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:41:11 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRIdnb20672; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:39:49 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRIbZn54090 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:37:35 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 10:37:35 2001 -0800 Received: from smtp.gospelcom.net (joppa.gospelcom.net [204.253.132.6]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBRIbYTA028632 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:37:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 13850 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 18:37:33 -0000 Received: from 1cust38.tnt18.sdg1.da.uu.net (63.42.247.38) by joppa.gospelcom.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 18:37:33 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:37:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joel Boonstra To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: feature request: choose smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Nancy McGough X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: joel@amos.gf.gospelcom.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > I also have this problem and I don't understand why Pine doesn't step to > the next SMTP server in the list and try that one when the first fails. > Could someone on the Pine team explain how the smtp-server list is > supposed to work so I can update my Power Pine page so it accurately > describes how this list variable works. Actually, I should amend this slightly. I have found that Pine tries the next server when the first one fails, at least sometimes. But I don't know under what conditions it does this. It may be a function of not being able to locate the SMTP server, or perhaps the server denying relaying, or something else. > I also would really like this and it's my first wish in my Pine > wish list, which is here > > http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishesMisc Cool, I'm glad I'm not the only one ;) > Can you describe more about your setup? Do you have a laptop that > you move back and forth between work and home? What operating > system is it running? What version of Pine are you running? Does > one or both of your SMTP servers reside on a system that you can > SSH to? Depending on your answers, I may have some suggestions > for easy ways to set things up so you don't need to worry about > swapping your smtp-server list. I have a laptop that I bring to and from the office with me. It uses RH 7.1, with Pine 4.43, patched with Eduardo's excellent fancy thread patch. At the office, since I'm connected from the proper IP address, I am immediately authenticated on our SMTP server, and can freely relay mail with it. However, we also try to provide our SMTP server to our Ministries (we are a non-profit, providing free hosting to online Ministries) in a secure and intelligent manner. The method we've chosen is to require POP (or IMAP) authentication before sending. Once you've successfully authenticated on our POP server (which you can only do if you have an email account with us, of course), your IP address is recorded on our SMTP server, and that IP is allowed a 30-minute window to send email. Once that 30 minutes is up, you need to re-authenticate. So, from my apartment, this normally wouldn't be a problem, since I'm usually doing a lot with email whenever I'm online. However, there are times when I'm not authenticated, and my send fails. It's a simple matter to re-check mail and send again. However, ATT@Home also provides a SMTP server that I can use, and since I'm connecting from an ATT IP from home, no further authentication is needed. Thus, from home, I prefer to use their smtp server to eliminate any potential sending barriers. I can definitely not SSH into the ATT server. I can SSH into the work one, but I'd rather not use that for pine, since I prefer running it on a local machine (especially when I'm on a dialup, as I am now). I'm willing to accept the extra overhead of shuffling SMTP servers if the only other option is using pine on a remote server. Thanks for your time -- if you have any suggestions, please don't hesitate to let me know. Sorry for the rather lengthy email. -- [ joel boonstra | jboonstra@gospelcom.net ] From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:45:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBRIj0V6020379 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 10:44:58 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRIiv11009143; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:44:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRIiG204682; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:44:16 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRIgJn113450 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:42:19 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 10:42:18 2001 -0800 Received: from smtp.gospelcom.net (joppa.gospelcom.net [204.253.132.6]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBRIgI3F009595 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:42:18 -0800 Received: (qmail 14398 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 18:42:16 -0000 Received: from 1cust38.tnt18.sdg1.da.uu.net (63.42.247.38) by joppa.gospelcom.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 18:42:16 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:42:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joel Boonstra To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: feature request: choose smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Eduardo Chappa X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: joel@amos.gf.gospelcom.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > If you apply the patch then all you need to do is to define the new > variable "smtp-rules" to be something like > > _ROLE_ == {nick of role} => _SMTP_{some.smtp.server} > _ADDRESSTO_ == {foo@bar.com.edu} => _SMTP_{another.smtp.server} > _TO_ == {Fred Flinstones} => _SMTP_{smtp.bedrock.foo} > > What the patch will do is to add all the smtp servers where it finds a > match to the top of the list of stmp-servers (so the first match will be > the first smtp server in your new list, the second match the second in > your list, and so on, and all that is followed by your list of smtp > servers). I looked at the patch before posting, but it didn't seem to me that it solved my problem. My criteria for choosing which SMTP server to use is my physical location, not which role I'm using, or which person I'm sending to, or anything like that. So, if this patch could somehow use my system's external IP address as an operand in the conditional test, that would solve the problem. However, many times I'm connected from behind a firewall, so my own machine's IP address would be a 10.*.*.* address. In fact, nothing about my network settings change from when I connect at work or connect at home -- the two networks are setup almost identically, from my machine's perspective. So I guess I don't know if that would be an option or not. > As you point out, it would also be nice to be able to choose the smtp > server among a list of possible smtp servers, in the same way that one > chooses a printer when you print from pine, but that today is not > possible yet. Okay, I figured I'd ask, and see if others shared the feature wish. Thanks for everyone's helpful comments. -- [ joel boonstra | jboonstra@gospelcom.net ] From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:23:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBRKNnV6023499 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 12:23:48 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRKNm11011642; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:23:48 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRKHX405698; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:17:33 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRKFPn159974 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:15:25 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 12:15:25 2001 -0800 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRKFPm1014815 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:15:25 -0800 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBRKFLK07091; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:15:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:15:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: feature request: choose smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Nancy McGough X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Nancy McGough (nm-this-address-is-valid@no.sp.am) wrote in the...: :) On 25 Dec 2001 Joel Boonstra (jboonstra@gospelcom.net) wrote: :) > I, and others I work with, have found ourselves taking advantage of :) > pine's ability to define multiple smtp servers, since we work both :) > from the office and from home. However, I constantly find myself :) > forgetting to shuffle the appropriate server name up and down :) > depending on where I'm working from. This leads to the first message :) > I send failing, and me having to remember to re-shuffle my server :) > names. :) :) I also have this problem and I don't understand why Pine doesn't step :) to the next SMTP server in the list and try that one when the first :) fails. A quick reading of the smtp code shows that pine will step to the second server if (and only if) a connection to the first server fails. This is different than if the first server fails to send. -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBRN5VV6002061 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 15:05:30 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRN5Tpr010593; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:05:29 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRN4o516344; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:04:50 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBRN2Pn08394 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:02:25 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Dec 27 15:02:24 2001 -0800 Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBRN2Om1011588 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:02:24 -0800 Received: from Debug (unknown [195.241.76.101]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BA0A37B9B; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:01:02 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <20011227230102.5BA0A37B9B@rhea.tiscali.nl> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:01:02 MET Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum X-To: pine-info@u.washington.edu, pine@cac.washington.edu, pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From cohenb@worldonline.nl Thu Dec 27 23:26:04 2001 Newsgroups: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:26:04 +0100 (MET) From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum , , Subject: real weird pine behavior (4.33) Fcc: sent-mail Message-ID: X-Cursor-Pos: : 2027 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I always keep a very large number of messages on the pop-3 server (at present 1794 showing - there have been more on the past without problems). This is a unix system running pine 4.33 for several months now - there had been problems before with 3.96 and then 4.05, with 4.05 constantly giving aborts and core dumps. Today upon opening the INBOX could immediately see that it was corrupted: 1st msg appears three times (as msg 1, 2, and 3) - it's been there for months and has always appeared properly. Follows several msgs with a blank screen then 1 with subject, etc., then more blanks, J(ump) to msg number or Space to page causes an abort (with core dump) with the error message on abort: [Error writing scratch file at byte 8191][><][] Problem detected: "Received abort signal". Pine Exiting. Abort (core dumped) Since this first happened I have been unable to actually open or read any messages. Perhaps I should mention that for some strange reason the popper kind of "wraps" the msgs: msgs from approximately 120-1794 are old (and chronological), then it continues with msg 1 (follows 1794 chronologically) and inserts new msgs around 107 (yesterday's new message point with a slightly lower count of total messages). Neither pine nor webmail seems to be bothered by this - and webmail is presently functional while pine certainly isn't. the core dump is immense and I haven't really looked at it yet: cat core only shows the word ELF and two cute moonlike (sunlike?) faces Has anyone experienced anything remotely similar or does anyone have the faintest idea what is going on? Kind of reminds me of the old "message to save shrank" behavior with earlier versions of pine.... To make things worse: tried to postpone this message (error writing to scratch file, no space left on device) - not true: I'm at least 3 megs under quota Nor could I send this message from pine: Error 252 - cohenb@worldonline.nl - Insufficient (goes off line - assume says insufficient space on device or something!) what's going on here? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:23:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBSDNKV6004747 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 28 05:23:16 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBSDNG11029918; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:23:16 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBSDMPb28334; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:22:25 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBSDITn124736 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:18:29 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 28 05:18:26 2001 -0800 Received: from web14507.mail.yahoo.com (web14507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.70]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBSDIQm1028185 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:18:26 -0800 Received: from [143.127.3.10] by web14507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:18:25 PST Message-Id: <20011228131825.25581.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:18:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Tuka Mhane To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: 'N' flag not shown for inbox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, This may not necessarily be a pine question. A few days ago, my organization changed our email server. I used to connect to the older server over IMAP and do so with the new server too. The difference is, now, messages are not marked as new (no 'N'). Nothing changed on my desktop. I use pine 4.33 for RHLinux 7.2. Where should I be looking for answers ? TIA, Tuka __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:27:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBSJRcV6017779 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 28 11:27:35 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBSJRZpr000322; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:27:35 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBSJPG416506; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:25:16 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBSJMpn91992 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:22:51 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 28 11:22:51 2001 -0800 Received: from aslan.narnia.pp.se (aslan.narnia.pp.se [212.247.3.100]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBSJMnTA013848 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:22:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (dufberg@localhost) by aslan.narnia.pp.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBSJMle22144; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:22:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dufberg@narnia.pp.se) Message-Id: <20011228201958.X19847-100000@aslan.narnia.pp.se> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:22:47 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mats Dufberg To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: 'N' flag not shown for inbox In-Reply-To: <20011228131825.25581.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-To: Tuka Mhane X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-message-flag: Tired of your mail client? Get pine! http://www.washington.edu/pine/ X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Dec 28, 2001, 05:18 (-0800) Tuka Mhane wrote: > A few days ago, my organization changed our email > server. I used to connect to the older server over > IMAP and do so with the new server too. The > difference is, now, messages are not marked as new (no > 'N'). Nothing changed on my desktop. I use pine 4.33 > for RHLinux 7.2. > > Where should I be looking for answers ? Pine displays the flags set by the IMAP server. You should check the IMAP server. Try with some other IMAP client, e.g. Netscape, to see if it has the N flag set. Mats ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mats Dufberg dufberg@narnia.pp.se Bl=E5arvsgr=E4nd 42 +46-8-38 48 59 SE-162 45 V=E4llingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:10:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBSKAEV6002780 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 28 12:10:13 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBSKADpr001493; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:10:13 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBSK8Kb28490; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:08:20 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBSK63n140618 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:06:03 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Dec 28 12:06:03 2001 -0800 Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.58]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBSK63VK018095 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:06:03 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:05:57 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mark Crispin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Problem with MIME attachments in PC-Pine #011226@00:33:19.23599 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: David Sitman X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu, X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Check your mail transfer and mail delivery software including virus checking software. It looks like something is (incorrectly) changing the boundary delimiter generated by Pine into a quoted-printable word prior to delivery. I suspect that it is external to Pine. On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, David Sitman wrote: > Most of our PC-Pine users (various versions of PC-Pine 4.XX) are > experiencing problems when they send mail attachments. The "boundary=" > string as it appears in the "Content-type" header is different from the > string in the body of the message. As a result, the recipient's mail > program sees the message as malformed or empty, the text body can not be > read and the attachments can not be opened. > > Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; boundary="=?iso-8859-1?B?NTQwODc0MS0xMjQ4LTEwMDkzNTM0MTY9OjE4Njg=?=" -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:48:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBVAmqV6015358 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 02:48:50 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVAmn11030335; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:48:50 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVAlp416262; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:47:51 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVAidn161404 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:44:39 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 02:44:35 2001 -0800 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVAiYVK018655 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:44:35 -0800 Received: from modem-2254.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.8.206]) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Kzrp-0000Xb-00; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:40:30 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:40:28 +0000 (GMT Normalzeit) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nancy McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: feature request: choose smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Joel Boonstra X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Mac/Unix/PC Pine! Info @ www.ii.com X-X-Sender: nancy@imap.iecc.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 27 Dec 2001 Joel Boonstra (jboonstra@gospelcom.net) wrote: > I have a laptop that I bring to and from the office with me. It uses RH > 7.1, with Pine 4.43, patched with Eduardo's excellent fancy thread patch. Here are 3 possible solutions. 1] In your pinerc, set smtp-server=localhost and then set up ssh port forwarding to forward your machine's port 25 to your work machine's SMTP server. This should then work whether you are at home or work because the requests to your work SMTP server will appear to be local. I've done this with PC-Pine and SecureCRT port forwarding but I've never done it from a Linux box. If anyone has successfully done this on *nix, I'd appreciate info so I can 1) try it and 2) add info about it in my Using Port Forwarding with Pine, which is here 2] Set your SMTP server to your work smtp server smtp-server=work.smtp.server And also set things up so that Pine always does an IMAP-before-SMTP authentication before it attempts to send. The way I do this is by putting my Pine address book on the IMAP server and then when I start the composition of a message, Pine checks the remote abook on the IMAP server and authenticates. You then need to compose the message in less than 30 minutes! Another possibility is to have the Fcc mailbox be on the IMAP server -- this will also make Pine do an IMAP-before-SMTP authentication before sending. 3] Set up three pine aliases pine echo "use pinehome or pinework" pinehome "\pine -x .pinercexHome" pinework "\pine -x .pinercexWork" and then put the appropriate smtp-server setting (and any other location-specific settings) in the pine exception files. I discuss this kind of thing in Compartmentalizing and Sharing Your Pine Settings, which is here Hope one of these works for you! Nancy ^x -- ii Main Pine Page: Nancy McGough Infinite Ink --= Sent via Pine 4.43: IMAP, NNTP & ESMTP for Unix/Win/MacOS X =-- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:53:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBVArUV6008774 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 02:53:24 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVArN11030394; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:53:24 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVAqqb26320; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:52:52 -0800 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVAojn98064 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:50:45 -0800 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 02:50:44 2001 -0800 Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.0.167]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVAoim1022125 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:50:44 -0800 Received: from ProStar.localdomain (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37DC981E9 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 05:50:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:50:00 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: feature request: choose smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@ProStar.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Nancy McGough wrote: > And also set things up so that Pine always does an > IMAP-before-SMTP authentication before it attempts to send. The > way I do this is by putting my Pine address book on the IMAP > server and then when I start the composition of a message, Pine > checks the remote abook on the IMAP server and authenticates. You > then need to compose the message in less than 30 minutes! Another > possibility is to have the Fcc mailbox be on the IMAP server -- > this will also make Pine do an IMAP-before-SMTP authentication > before sending. These methods work only in 4.33; some of the optimizations done in the 4.4X series means IB4S doesn't work anymore. Thankfully, my ISP went to SMTP AUTH and I didn't have the problem anymore. -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:17:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBVBHPV6003325 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 03:17:13 2001 -0800 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVBHCpr026735; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:17:12 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVBGh421376; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:16:43 -0800 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVBDYn146170 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:13:35 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 03:13:33 2001 -0800 Received: from lantana.iitm.ernet.in (lantana.tenet.res.in [202.144.28.166]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVBDHVK020428 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:13:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (bharathi@localhost) by lantana.iitm.ernet.in (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBVBEFG03971 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:44:15 +0530 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:44:15 +0530 (IST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: S Bharathi To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: i18n Support MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, If any plan to include i18n support in Pine. If yes, Anybody is currently working in this area ? Regards, Bharathi S. Happy 2002 :-) -- _ _ S. Bharathi bharathi@lantana.iitm.ernet.in (BSB-340) (_ |_) Prj Associate, IndLinuX Developement Team, (4458904) _)*|_) LLI Lab, IIT-Madras, INDIA - 600036. Visit us at http://www.tenet.res.in -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:34:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBVBYpV6010431 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 03:34:50 2001 -0800 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVBYo11031017; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:34:50 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVBEJ223298; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:14:19 -0800 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVBBqn35834 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:11:53 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 03:11:52 2001 -0800 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVBBo3F024561 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:11:51 -0800 Received: from modem-2254.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.8.206]) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16L0M9-0001BB-00; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:11:50 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:11:52 +0000 (GMT Normalzeit) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nancy McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: feature request: choose smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Mac/Unix/PC Pine! Info @ www.ii.com X-X-Sender: nancy@imap.iecc.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 31 Dec 2001 Kenneth Crudup (kenny@panix.com) wrote: > > And also set things up so that Pine always does an > > IMAP-before-SMTP authentication before it attempts to send. The > > way I do this is by putting my Pine address book on the IMAP > > server and then when I start the composition of a message, Pine > > checks the remote abook on the IMAP server and authenticates. You > > then need to compose the message in less than 30 minutes! Another > > possibility is to have the Fcc mailbox be on the IMAP server -- > > this will also make Pine do an IMAP-before-SMTP authentication > > before sending. > > These methods work only in 4.33; some of the optimizations done in the 4.4X > series means IB4S doesn't work anymore. Thankfully, my ISP went to SMTP > AUTH and I didn't have the problem anymore. Thanks for the info Kenneth. Here are some questions... * In Pine 4.43, does *any* method work to do IB4S, e.g., opening an IMAP mailbox within 30 minutes (or whatever the window is)? * What about PB4S -- can Pine 4.43 do that? * Are IB4S and PB4S common acronyms?? (This is the first I've heard of them!) Side Question: I see you have a panix account -- what do you think of their IMAP setup? I include them in my IMAP service provider list, which is here but their description of IMAP access sounds odd. Thanks for any info! Nancy ^x -- ii Main Pine Page: Nancy McGough Infinite Ink --= Sent via Pine 4.43: IMAP, NNTP & ESMTP for Unix/Win/MacOS X =-- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:00:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBVJ0aV6008077 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 11:00:28 2001 -0800 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVJ0Rpr002936; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:00:27 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVIxi535482; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:59:44 -0800 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVIwTn84044 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:58:29 -0800 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 10:58:28 2001 -0800 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com ([66.129.212.98]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVIwRTA012089 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:58:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBVIjUx11192; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:45:30 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:45:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: i18n Support In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: S Bharathi X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, S Bharathi wrote: > Hello, > If any plan to include i18n support in Pine. > > If yes, Anybody is currently working in this area ? For the uninitiated, "i18n" is "internationalization" - "i" then 18 letters then "n". I have done some work on this, but have received no replies to my previous questions on this list about others doing the same. Here is my status: * I have configured Pine to use "display-filters", such that messages on certain charsets are sent through "iconv" (available in Linux) to translate to UTF-8. * I patched Pine so that it does not clear-screen before and after using a display-filter. * I access Pine using Anzio (Windows telnet client), which can accept UTF-8 coming from the host. * This works for the body text of messages. It also works for passthrough print. * There is some built-in conversion capability, but it appears that it is being used only for search logic. * I have not yet figured out how to make Pine translate headers, such as the "From:" and "Subject:" lines, according to their embedded charset identifiers. In fact, these can sometimes confuse the UTF rendering in Anzio. This is the highest priority for me. * I have done nothing for: a) translating Pine's prompts and messages. b) translating incoming keystrokes. c) adjustment of word break and line break logic d) case conversion e) sort order * Other notes: a) It would be nice to remove the character set warning message. b) I believe there are some places where Pine treats characters in the hex-80 to hex-9F range as control characters. But in some charsets, such as Windows-1252, there are legitimate displayable characters in these locations. Hope this helps. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(12) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:21:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with SMTP id fBVJLgV6029547 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 11:21:39 2001 -0800 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVJLc11007455; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:21:38 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVJLIb28340; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:21:19 -0800 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fBVJKjn114242 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:20:45 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Dec 31 11:20:45 2001 -0800 Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW01.12) with ESMTP id fBVJKi3F008549 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:20:44 -0800 Received: from ProStar.localdomain (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EB548706; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:20:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:20:22 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: feature request: choose smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Nancy McGough X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@ProStar.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Nancy McGough wrote: > * In Pine 4.43, does *any* method work to do IB4S, e.g., opening > an IMAP mailbox within 30 minutes (or whatever the window is)? Yeah. What I'd do is that when my SMTP session window expired and I'd get an error on "send", I'd "pOstpone" the message, which would re-login to the IMAP server, then I'd do a "Compose/continue postponed" and get a new 30min window as well. > * What about PB4S -- can Pine 4.43 do that? Can't say for sure. > * Are IB4S and PB4S common acronyms?? (This is the first I've > heard of them!) Hey! I've started a new acronym! > Side Question: I see you have a panix account -- what do you > think of their IMAP setup? They use a funky way of filling the INBOX, but it works well for me. Now that they have SMTP AUTH (spurred in part by the failure of the 4.4X series to do IB4S consistently) I'm completely satisfied. -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C. Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 kenny@panix.com Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101